Lynas Rare Earths (ASX:LYC) Q1 2027 Earnings Call

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0:51 Press the documents icon to see today's files and platform instructions. Select a document to open it and you can still listen to the meeting while you read. I will now hand over to Linus. Good morning and welcome to Linus's quarterly report for the period ending 30 September 2026. On the call today, we have Pol Le Roux, Interim CEO, Gaudenz Sturzenegger, CFO, Daniel Havas, Chief External Affairs Officer, and Sarah Leonard, General Counsel and Company Secretary. I'll now hand over to Pol. Please go ahead.

1:28 Thank you, Lauren. Good morning, everybody. I'm taking the call from Seoul, Korea, where I'm attending the METROL event conference, the oldest rare earths conference where I will give a speech right after this call. I can tell you that in the business world, Linus is seen as a winner and it's quite easy for me to give a presentation. So coming to the quarter, I have to say that while Linus' team is always engaged, To maximize the company performance, there are quarters where reporting our activities to our shareholders is easier. And this is one indeed.

2:15 It has been a very rewarding quarter, a quarter of records, records of gross sales, records of production. Our new sales record is now $310 million for the quarter. That's 7% up compared to previous quarter. It's 55% up compared to last year, first quarter last year. This recall is supported by the continued positive dynamics of market, the confirmed appetite for secure real supply chain outside China, and the subsequent high market price. It is also supported by the demonstrated ability of Lion's team to actually deliver on its commitment.

3:02 And finally, it is supported by our sales strategy where we make profit of our position as the only dyTurbium supplier outside China to combine our sales to magnet makers, sales of NDPR and Heavy Rares so that we can secure a long-term partnership with our customers. This favorable market environment is pushing us to grow as fast as possible, growing our NDPR and Heavis production, and the team has responded to that push with new records. Mount Weld reached in September a performance way above the downstream need at nameplate capacity.

3:50 That's a great achievement. As I said in the previous call, the ramp-up of Mount Raleigh is astonishing. LEMP Compound 16 for July, which was still impacted by our previous quarter quality issues. LEMP has delivered a production record in August, only to bid it again in September, establishing a new record of NDPR production. DYT production volumes continue to grow. in line with NDPR, supporting our combined safe strategy with magnet makers outside China. While our supply of DYI-Turbium of this kind outside China is very welcomed by the market, the market needs more. And to that purpose, we are finalizing our plan to move forward mining activities at Mount Weld into the DYI-Turbium rich zones. This appears as the fastest way to substantially increase our dewatered terbium supply to the market.

5:02 Another way to increase our dewatered terbium supply is the announced intention to acquire Meteoric. Caldera is the largest known ionic clay deposit outside Chana. It is a cost competitive additional resource for Rare Earths with a higher DY2B and NDPR ratio in line with the market demand. It can fit perfectly land process set up, and a detailed study has commenced between Linus and Meteorik to optimize the overall performance from mine to Big Bang. Downstream, this quarter has also seen the signature of our long-term partnership with GS Land, who is starting the construction of a magnet factory in Malaysia in addition to the existing factory in Korea.

5:56 And finally, we are finalizing our agreement with LS ECO who will build a metal facility in the existing site in Vietnam This is primarily addressing samarium, pure DY, pure terbium metal, elements that are essential for delivering high-performance magnet making. Meanwhile, on the HRE separation projects, the construction is on track with the previous announcement. So, all in all, a very good quarter. that is in line with our growth plan 2030. And on that note, I would be happy to answer questions together with Sarah, Gaudenz and Daniel. We'll try our best to answer any question you may have following this quarter.

7:01 Thanks, Paul. If you have not yet joined the live audio queue, please do so now. To hear from as many people as possible, we request that you ask one question at a time. If you have more questions, please rejoin the queue. I will introduce each caller by name and ask you to go ahead. You will then hear a beep indicating that your microphone is live. Our first question comes from Jonathan Sharp of JP Morgan. Jonathan, please go ahead.

7:34 and Morning Pol, Daniel and team. Just first question or my only question on sales. Production was about 1.2 thousand tonnes ahead of sales this quarter. Can you just talk us through what's sitting in the inventory by products and roughly what NDPR sales were, if you can? and how much of the record average ASP came from sales mix rather than higher pricing.

8:07 Thanks. Sorry, you're asking how much inventory we have in end of the quarter, is it correct, Jonathan?

8:19 Yeah, and in particular NDPR.

8:24 In the previous quarter, we were a bit disappointed with our production performance, so we shipped as much product as possible. Of course, the best production being in September, that explains probably why you see the cash collection is not as high as the gross sales. but you can see that we invoice most of our product and we always keep just a few days of stock end of the quarter.

9:00 Okay, great. I'll jump to the end of the queue. Thanks. Thank you. Our next question comes from Rahul Anand of Morgan Stanley. Rahul, please go ahead.

9:19 Hi, Paul and team. Good morning. Thank you for the call. My one question is on the maintenance shut for December. So I know you did do a six-week shut about three years ago, and this one seems to be similar or in line with that. But I guess you were at a different stage at that time as a company in terms of what your plant was producing in Malaysia. And this time, I think you also have a cow shut that's incorporated within. Can you help us understand perhaps the nature of the upgrades you're doing this time and sort of what are the main items of work that are happening over this four-week period and what do you expect as, I guess, a benefit on the other side? Is there any improvement in recoveries or anything else you'd like to call out?

10:09 Thanks.

10:11 Okay. So that's a question... Another long answer for a simple question. Basically, every year you see from October, December is the period of time where we execute most of our preventive maintenance. So the primary objective of this shutdown is to execute necessary preventive maintenance and that concerns In particular, one kiln in Quantan, which needs to have the bricks replaced. Combined with this, we had the request from Western Power in Kalgoorlie for them to upgrade the grid for hopefully improving the reliability of the grid in Kalgoorlie. And so that will force us to shut down Kalgoorlie for a bit more than two weeks.

11:08 Whereas the Quantan work will represent overall amounts of maintenance. The things we do on top of preventive maintenance is that we work on small modifications to increase our nameplate capacity in Quantan, so before cracking, whereas At the moment, our bottleneck is more on the gas treatment. So we're trying to solve that with a few modifications. At the same time, we found ways to further increase the energy capacity downstream. So that's on the quantum side, the two elements.

11:54 for us to be ready for the next quarter to deliver maximum production. In Kalgoorlie, we still have a few modifications to make to improve the OEE of, sorry, the reliability of equipment, mainly. And so we make profit of this forced two-week shutdown to execute those modifications and improvements so that we are aiming at starting The January quarter at maximum speed and better equipped to maximize our production.

12:31 Got it. Okay. Quite interesting to see the quantum cracking improvement there. Are you able to call out sort of how much more that would be there in terms of additions or is that too early to talk about?

12:46 Well, let me demonstrate that with next quarter figures. But What I can tell you is when we produce, you know, we have four kilns and they are on two different gas treatments. And when you shut down one kiln out of two and one single gas treatment, you notice that we can push the production higher than half of the capacity, which clearly indicates the bottleneck is in the gas treatment. I won't give you numbers, I'm sorry, because I prefer to demonstrate rather than claiming, but it's substantial enough for us to have decided to execute this modification this quarter.

13:35 Thank you. And our next question comes from Chen Jiang of Bank of America. Chen, please go ahead.

13:46 Good morning, Paul. Thank you for taking my question. So just to follow up on the sales, production, and also the one month. Firstly, good to say you don't have any old quality or operational issues this quarter, so congrats. For the sales versus production-based quarter, did you do that in purpose because you have one month So you are building the inventory that you can maintain yourself in December month when you are shut down your production. Another follow up after this. Thank you.

14:29 I would be happy to run a factory where no preventive maintenance is needed. But as you know, we always maximize production. I would say the other way around. We are very happy to have delivered this production record last quarter so that we are better, more comfortable supplying our customers and we feel very comfortable. We will not make them show a product in this quarter, which typically is the moment when we when we concentrate the maintenance. So we didn't push on purpose because of the shutdown plan in the second quarter.

15:17 We always push and it's very fortunate that the production went so well in this quarter, of course. And we'll continue pushing despite the shutdown during this quarter, the current quarter.

15:35 Right, thanks, Paul.

15:36 I lost you, Shen.

15:42 Can you hear me?

15:47 I lost you for a minute. Can you repeat, please?

15:51 Okay. Okay. Just another way to ask this question. So do you have enough Rare Earths or So, we have enough inventory.

16:22 We follow that very closely with our customers. They are used to that. The second quarter is always lower than the first one and the others. So we are very comfortable in that. There won't be anyone cut short of a supply during the quarter. Now, part of this or big part of this inventory is actually now sales because it's carried by our distributor in Japan. So they carry the inventory for us.

16:59 Right. So it's fair to say that production loss of one month, you can continue to sell to your customers without any impact. Is that a fair conclusion from what you just mentioned?

17:12 Absolutely, Chen. Absolutely.

17:17 Okay. All right. Great to hear. Thank you. I might be back. Thanks. Thanks. and our next question is from Paul Young from Goldman Sachs. Paul, please go ahead.

17:34 Thanks. G'day, Paul and team. Paul, another question about the ramp and also the impact from the Masoness Shut, but actually more so I just want to look through the next quarter. and into the June half, considering that, you know, you make the comment that Mount Weld has actually been running really well and the ramp in July and August, which should imply, you know, based on the lag of getting the concentrate either through Kalgoorlie cracking and leaching and then or transported to Malaysia through the cracking and leaching facility that you should actually have quite a decent inflection. Thank you so much for joining us.

18:38 So definitely we are looking forward to a substantial increase in Q3, Q4, March and June quarter. Mount Whale has now everything operational except for what we call the ISA mill. which is not aiming at increasing production but improving the recovery so that should come up by end of this current quarter and so it's very very positive element for us to see that concentrate wise we are well covered with the current performance of Mount Wells so all the game will be to to maximize both the cracking leaching in Kuantan and the cracking leaching in Kalgoorlie.

19:37 Since, as I said last time, the downstream part now has already demonstrated a nameplate. And as I mentioned just a while ago, we are even working on an increasing further this nameplate capacity downstream. So, yeah, looking forward for very good results in the third and fourth quarter next year.

20:00 So just to maybe expand on that, seeing as a few people are having follow-ups, but does that mean that you have some degree of confidence you can test the nameplate of the refinery of 10.5, 10.8 thousand tonnes per annum in the March quarter and June quarter?

20:17 At least, yeah.

20:20 Okay, great. Excellent. Good to hear. I'll pass that on. That's what I want to hear. Thank you. Thank you. And our next question comes from Mitch Ryan of Jefferies. Mitch, please go ahead.

20:38 Thank you for taking my question this morning. I'm just trying to, so following up from Yungi's question and also the discrepancy between production and sales. So we've got this positive inflection into the second half from an NTBR production perspective. What comfort can you give me that then sales will also grow on the same trajectory? You've talked anecdotally that the demand is there, but the differential between production and sales volumes in this quarter, can you explain that differential and why that will resolve in the second half?

21:15 I'm surprised with this question, to be honest. We have absolutely no problem to sell more NDPR and even less, more dyTurbium. The only point is, it's simply a shipment matter that makes it end of the quarter. Since our production was really excellent in September, and particularly in the second half of September, of course, part of the production could be invoice. but there is absolutely no worries on our side and all the discussions I have with customers show that there is only more appetite to buy more from us and absolutely no concern there so it will continue being a game where sales pulls the production and not the other way around so I don't know how I can give you more comfort than that but I really have zero concern about the demand side.

22:29 Thank you. That's it for me. Thank you. And our next question comes from Daniel Morgan of Baron Joey. Daniel, please go ahead.

22:43 Hi, Paul. Question's very similar to some of the others on sales mix and production versus sales. So you provide NDPR productions You also provide REO production, but on the sales side, you give REO and not NDPR. So I think a lot of the participants on the call would kind of like an indication when looking at revenue, realized price, you know, what is the sales mix? So can you provide some indication of what NDPR sales volumes were? You know, was it the ratio in line with the, you know, what we can see as a visible sales lagging production or we're just trying to understand How to look at realized price versus the benchmarks we're looking at in the market. Thank you.

23:25 Yeah, I think it's a good suggestion, Daniel. I realize when I look at the table, it can be confusing. You know probably that we started two years ago and we're continuing that removing low-value products low value rares as early as possible in the process and what I mean with that is mainly cerium or cerium lanthanum which are not worth processing all the way through so that's the reason why you don't have in a sales ratio probably we think of putting a line with the ndpr sales volume that would be easier for everyone to understand. But the content of NDPI in the total REO is higher than the natural race distribution because we actually eliminate upstream as much as possible cerium latinum.

24:33 So I understand better now where the confusion comes from there.

24:41 Well, could I just follow up on that?

24:43 We'll try to improve for next year.

24:45 Yeah, I mean, there's a few drivers here which could still lead to confusion, sorry, Paul, which is, I mean, NDPR, of course, you produce that more than the assemblage in the ore, because it's more valuable. So we understand that the NDPR, the production ratio to the REO ratio, we understand that that would be different to the assemblage in the ore. But I guess we're also trying to understand in the sales piece, What is the mix of NDPR in it? Because how else can we judge whether you'll realize price is a good one or not? That's what we're trying to understand, I guess.

25:23 Yeah, I understand that. And for that, we should show you the exact sales numbers of NDPR, which we haven't done and which we'll try to implement from next report. I can tell you that the number of sales of NDPR is extremely close to the production of NDPR through the quarter. When we, just to clarify, when we eliminate, say, upstream the production, it's not accounted for as a production.

25:54 So, yeah.

26:00 We'll clarify that.

26:02 Okay, so just to clarify, is the NDPR sales within the REO sales, is that broadly indicative of a normal mix?

26:24 We had around 2,100 tons or 2,082 tons of NDPR or NDNPR ready for sales in the quarter. The actual sales of NDPR in this same quarter was extremely close to this number. That's what I can say at this stage.

26:52 Okay, thank you, Paul, for the answer. Our next question comes from Neil Dingman of William Blair. Neil, please go ahead.

27:09 Morning, Paul. Nice to talk to you again. My question is on the GS Link Partnership. Specifically, do you have any insight on general timing of when this plant will come on and maybe more specifically, what the price in terms of the Rare Earths materials you'll supply, how you'll come up with that pricing agreement.

27:30 I can't talk on behalf of GS Flink, but they made a very good presentation yesterday at the conference, advertising a lot, Linus, which is good. What I know is from them, and I have a meeting with them tomorrow, more in detail, but they ordered all the main equipment for the Malaysian factory, and so we're talking here about the start of first production for qualification probably by early 28 calendar year. The site is selected and you know magnet factory is all about bringing in the main equipments. It's not like a chemical factory with lots of piping. So they are fully aligned and Korean style, pali pali.

28:18 They go as fast as possible. And I don't see as of today any reason to worry that they would be late.

28:28 Very good. Thank you, Paul. Our next question comes from Matthew Hope from Ord Minette. Matthew, please go ahead.

28:44 Thank you. I just wanted to follow up on your comment that a lot of your inventory is held by a distributor in Japan. I was just wondering, is that logged as part of your sales and is that material actually paid on delivery or is it sort of paid when the distributor sells it?

29:04 No, it's paid on delivery plus some payment times that are our agreement with them. But when I say they carry the inventory, it means that we invoice, they pay, and then they get the money back when they sell. We are paid to their stock.

29:34 Yeah, sorry, you were dropping out there. Couldn't really hear the second part of your answer.

29:41 They carry the inventory. So it means that the payment to Linus by them is made based on the shipment of product from Linus to their stocks, not the shipment from their stocks to the final customer. So they really carry the working capital, in other words.

30:04 Right. Okay. Thank you very much. And just one other question. Just you were talking about in the quarterly about... When do you expect that may take place and is that going to have a heavy capital cost?

30:29 Yeah, well, it's anticipation. It's a substantial amount, but it's an amount of mining activity that we would have proceeded if things go normal in, let's say, three to five years time. Because that's the way the mine, I mean, that's where the zone is located. So what we are finalizing now is actually mining ahead so that we can process ASAP this DY rich zone and therefore deliver much higher, substantially higher quantity of dysprosium terbium to the market.

31:16 So the exact amount and time will be communicated very soon, as soon as we finalize that. But it's the fastest way because I don't need any permitting. We know the process because at the end of the day, it's the same process like today. Just a matter of moving dirt. A lot of dirt, but okay. And I think it's basically the best. And I discussed that with a number of customers in the conference. They all wait for that because they're all desperate to get more dyterbium in the market. And that's the fastest way to get it.

31:58 Sure. Okay. Thank you very much. We have another question from Jonathan Sharp from JP Morgan. Jonathan, please go ahead.

32:12 Yeah. Yeah. Hi, Paul. Thanks for taking my second question. Just an update on the CEO. That would be great just on how that's going, timing, when the market will know. Just anything on that would be good, thanks.

32:33 Hi, it's John Humphrey speaking, the chair of Linus. The permanent CEO appointment process is continuing. It will take as long as it takes. Linus is a unique and we're looking for a unique person as the next CEO so in the meantime the company's in good hands under the interim CEO as you can hear from the latest operations report and that is really the update. We are not going to rush to do it, but having said that, obviously we'll do it as soon as we can.

33:46 Jonathan, I will just add one thing. I understand your concern. On the other hand, the performance that we share with you for this quarter demonstrate if needed that the team is fully mobilized and not so disturbed by this situation.

34:12 Okay, great. Thanks for that. And I might just Ask a second question if I can, just on the meteoric acquisition. I mean, it seems like the market isn't giving it much value. Can you just talk on this particular asset poll? I mean, the work that I've done, it looks like a really, really good iron and clay deposit. Maybe just mention what are the benefits here? What are we missing? What is the market missing? Anything there would be great.

34:46 I think the meteoric I mean we we need to grow and to grow fast and so we have Mountwell which is a great great resource it just happens that having a combination of a hard rock, Mountwell and only clay deposit appears to make sense meteoric has and we worked on this quite a lot, would fit very well into the land processing setup, being quite cost competitive and very important aspect to me, it will also increase the quantity of dysprosium terbium that you produce in relation with the PR. So, Jenney speaking, If you look at the magnet industry, for 30 tons of NDPR, you should have one ton of dewar terbium.

35:55 So anything that can get us closer to that is more than welcome. And meteorite would be a great contributor to that. So this forest is really improving our setup, allowing us better to the market demand and finally giving us access to another area around the planet where down the road maybe we'll manage to develop an ecosystem. We have in Brazil a very good level of expertise, technical expertise. I've been working many years in my previous company with a Brazilian process engineers, maintenance, they are absolutely great. And so there is potential to be developed there.

36:46 So it's to be seen as a substantive adapt to the business of Linus geographically and in terms of product mix. So it's for us fantastic news.

37:06 Okay. Thanks, Paul. I'll pass it on. Thank you. Our next question comes from Reg Spencer from Canaccord. Reg, please go ahead.

37:20 Good morning, Paul. Thanks for taking my question. I'm going to change tack a little bit here and just talk about market more broadly in geopolitics. Obviously, Trump and Xi kicked the proverbial can down the road in their recent meeting with the original November deadline on the relaxation of export controls into January next year. What is your expectation, or maybe asked a different way, what are the expectations of your customers as to the potential outcomes here? Or given the fact that Trump is involved, who the hell knows?

37:59 So you are asking me to predict the policy of a US president? That's a challenge.

38:11 I would never do that of anyone. I won't try that. I will not try that.

38:15 No, no. What is seriously, what is, I think it's the second time we have a kind of rarest crisis. A disruption of a supply chain, linked to geopolitical issues rather than a simple supply demand. The first one was in 2011. And at that time, I think there was a lot of excitement, a lot of projects and everything collapsed very quickly. And basically, Linus was the only one to survive through this market storm. This time I think, and I see that in particular for the people who are the real decision makers, the OEMs, the end users, and it's possible that the COVID has helped as well in this, there is a real strategy from OEMs to secure part of their supply from outside China.

39:19 And so I don't know, and I don't want to anticipate variations in the political landscape, What I'm very convinced of is that the real market is now different from where it was and it will not come back to where it was before. So there is a real strategy around the world to secure, to not be too dependent on one single source of raw material.

39:53 So what you're saying, Paul, is irrespective of whatever decision or resolution is made on the negotiations around export controls, you continue to expect Western supply chains to continue to work at least some level of independence of China? Absolutely.

40:13 And I don't think China will ease some of their official and unofficial demands The decisions such as it is impossible for any expert in the industry from China to work for a non-Chinese company. It is impossible to source equipment specific to rare processing from China to a magnet maker or a processor outside China. So that's all the work and challenge that will remain. I don't see why China will all of a sudden ease that situation.

40:58 I explained especially the impact on that for our heavy race separation. We were very dependent to China for a lot of equipment. because the world had given up on making products, on making specific reactors, etc. So that's all the heavy work we had to build to rebuild an ecosystem where we can actually secure, and so it's the same to us, secure a source of equipment that we need to process to run our factories. This won't change. I don't see a reason why it would change.

41:44 So building a land outside China was challenging, but I can tell you it's more challenging today than it was 16 years ago.

41:57 Thank you, Paul. We could talk about this for hours, but I'll pass it on. Thank you. Our next question is from Neil Dingman from William Blair. Neil, please go ahead.

42:14 Thanks again, Paul. My question is on the material resources again. Specifically, how do you all think about the margins that we produce or achieve from the ionic clay produced there versus the monocyte-bearing ore you are currently producing?

42:36 What I can tell you is that when I say it's cost-competitive, my reference is Mount Weld. because producing from Mount Ewell at Linus, we proved that we could go through very tough times. Just a reminder, in July 2016, the price of NDPR was $29 and we didn't die. And so it just happened that the specific race distribution and very high concentration of ionic clay of meteoric, so that's a very important aspect, makes it possible for this ionic clay to be cost competitive, which is not always the case.

43:25 You have a lot of ionic clay and torques around ionic clay around the world, but with very low radius in the ground, so it means you move or you leach a lot more. and at the end of the day it's deposits that have a hard time to be cost competitive. Meteoric has this specific situation of very high risk content in the ground. We're talking here about 2500 ppm versus in some Areas in Southeast Asia of 600, so you see the difference. And that was essential for us. We wouldn't put our hands on something unless we know it can be cost competitive. Cost is our muscles, right? So we always focus on that.

44:22 Thank you. And our next question comes from Matthew Hope from Ordmanet. Matthew, please go ahead.

44:28 Hi, yeah. I was just wondering about samarium. You didn't say much about samarium in quarterly. I didn't see much. Were you still producing that? And did it increase from previous quarters?

44:46 Yeah, yeah. So samarium, we are producing samarium. The point is the specification of samarium, especially for samarium cobalt, is quite strict. And so we adjusted our production to the time for the magnet makers to qualify. But we have set up the production for a nameplate capacity of 400 tons a year. and there is no issue here, so as soon as the qualifications are moving up, we'll increase production in line with that. At the moment it's a bit marginal, I think it was 10 tons around, something like this in a quarter.

45:41 Right, okay, thank you very much for that. And then just on another question on Meteoric Algaria, are you planning to continue that on and push it forward as fast as it can go? I mean, it could probably start by 2029 if you've got going ASAP, or are you planning to sort of have a think about it or review it and see what it fits into your strategy more than just push it as hard as possible?

46:09 So the moment Meteoric plan was to start operation in 2031, we have started a detailed engineering with the team of Meteoric and our team of R&D and engineering. Our aim is dual actually. Number one is to optimize the total cost of OPEX from mine to Big Back. So sometimes There are things you better do on the mine side rather than on the processing side and vice versa. So this is a detailed review that we are having now. And then the second objective is to go as fast as possible. It's too early to tell you when, but we have our hands on it at the moment. It's the most important aspect, how to as quickly as possible start meteorically.

47:09 Thank you very much for that. Thank you. And we have one more question from Chen Jiang from Bank of America. Chen, please go ahead.

47:37 Thank you for taking my follow-up question. A follow-up question on Jonathan's question for the CEO search. I remember with the Oracle announcement or a few weeks ago, we had the impression the CEO succession announcement for a few weeks because you have ATM coming in November as well. But now, John, in the call earlier, you mentioned it will take as long as it takes and you are looking for a unique person. I'm just wondering what is the definition of a unique person and are you taking feedback from your shareholders on the sale and wondering why it's taking so long to look for a sale? Thank you.

48:30 Okay, there are a number of questions in that. First of all, the Rare Earth industry is, or the outside China Rare Earth industry is comparatively small, and I think it justifies the... or Linus's position justifies the description of unique because we have a large share of that outside China industry. In terms of the timing, I've said two things. The first is that the search will take as long as it takes. And secondly, we will...

49:22 Proceed to appoint someone as soon as we can. And I can't really take things much further than that. You know, obviously, we will do it as fast as we can, but it has to be the right person.

49:46 Thank you for that, John. Thanks. Thank you. There are no further questions. I'll now hand back to Pol for closing remarks.

49:57 Okay. Thank you very much, Pol. I think we're looking forward to continuing increasing production, although we have some maintenance exercise during this quarter. but we take your points, your questions. I remember the point about who asked to have the sales of NDPR. I think it's not a problem to avoid the misunderstanding. So we move forward in the next quarters with specifying the sales of NDPR versus total REO. And if any questions, Danielle, Sarah, Gaudenz, myself, we are more than happy to answer your questions whenever you have one. Thank you very much all.