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17:01 million. And we derive that from a market cap of approximately 95 million with no debt. And we have 30 million U.S. Dollars cash, approximately 30 million U.S. Dollars cash in the bank. And when you look then at 6.5 billion pounds of copper in the ground, essentially at the moment, the company is being valued at 1 cent a pound of copper in the ground. And we can see our immediate peer group, Ivanhoe Electric, who, as we saw earlier, were on our southern border with the Santa Cruz property. They're currently being valued at 5 cents enterprise value per pound of copper in the ground. And the market cap of that company today is approximately 800 million US dollars.
17:51 So we think over time as we can continue to de-risk the project through the technical studies, through the advancement of the permitting, and ultimately show the market in the next 12 months through a re-scope PFS that Park Salier is extremely accretive and value additive for the shareholders of the company, we ultimately believe that the company should see a re-rating. Of course, these markets are not particularly good in general. However, we do know that we are in a cyclical industry. And over time, obviously, the markets will turn. And the focus will come back to copper. And there's going to be a hell of a lot of upside for the shareholders or potential investors of this company on a go-forward basis.
18:42 Thank you, Alison. And when we do a little bit of a peer comparison benchmarking against our immediate peers. You can see, as I said, we have Ivanhoe Electric, we have Foran Mining, we have Philo, and we have Miramaka. The nice thing about this new maiden resource on Park Salier, as I said earlier, now bringing us up to a global resource of £6.5 billion, it starts to really put us in the same sort of size and scale of some of our immediate peers. So Ivanhoe Electric, £10 billion, Foran, £2.5 billion, Philo, £8 billion, and Maramaka, you know, £2.5 billion. So we're definitely up there now as far as the scale is concerned.
19:31 And If there was 1 criticism that I've heard since joining this company 18 months ago, it always has been that the project lacks scale. I think with today's announcement, you're going to see over time as we complete the engineering studies that we're going to actually start to build that scale in to the mine plan and obviously the financial and economic models of the company. Thank you, Alison. And then when we look at on a price per times NAV basis, you can see all of our peers and ourselves have come off quite substantially in the last 3 months or so with the MELI in the market. But we're still only trading at 0.37 times price to NAV, and that's about 10% below where our current peers are actually sitting.
20:25 So to recap, we believe that longer term, the fundamentals for the copper market still remain extremely strong. Indeed, I would argue that, you know, given the drive for decarbonization and the energy crisis that we're seeing in Europe, there'll be even more incentive there to move towards green energy much quicker and sooner than what was anticipated, which will drive up the demand for a lot of the green energy commodities, including copper. As you've seen, we've got a very tight share capital structure and we're well supported with Tembo Capital and having Rio Tinto involved in the company as a strategic investor plus access to their technical team is obviously hugely advantageous for the company.
21:16 You've got a very experienced leadership and management team here that have a proven track record of creating significant value for the shareholders of the company and there's no reason to believe that we cannot repeat that with Arizona-Sonoran. We're in a fantastic tier 1 jurisdiction, access to water, permits to take water, a brownfield site minimizing future CAPEX, and of course as we said earlier, private land with no federal nexus and only dealing with state and local municipal authorities. We've just added some significant steel project, which we think over time will be extremely accretive for the shareholders Based on the PEA, obviously robust project economics, and when we come out with that ReSCOPE technical report in the next 12 months, there's no reason to believe that we won't be seeing robust project economics at the same time.
22:17 Low risk as far as the permitting framework is concerned. And certainly I think over time, you know, once we can further de-risk the project, there's certainly a lot of synergies in the immediate area, as you've seen on the project. And certainly M&A activity certainly could heat up within the sector over the course of the next 2 to 5 years. So that's the key highlights and summary of the project. I'm gonna stop there and hand back to Cam, and we'll open up the conversation for some Q&A. Thanks, George. Great presentation, gentlemen. With that, as George mentioned, we are entering into the Q&A portion of today's Summit, so please make sure that if you have questions, you ask them in the Q&A tab found on the right-hand side of your screen. We already have a couple of questions, though. First one from Joe. What do you attribute to higher leachable and primary grades at Park Salier versus Cactus?
23:15 Anthony, maybe you want to take that one on? Yeah, I can speak to that. So the higher grades that we're seeing at Park Salyer, particularly in the primary, are actually consistent with what we were seeing in Cactus East. I suppose the difference at Cactus East is that we don't actually, because you have a basement fault that's cut out, the mineralisation, the bulk of the primary below Cactus East is being cut out. So we're not actually seeing that high grade. There's very small amount of it. But in terms of what's driving that primary grade, it's that we're in the potassic and philic alteration. And with the intrusions of the porphyries, we've had really good ground prep for dissemination of mineralisation through that brecciation. So that's really what defines that mine corridor.
24:04 And that's what, you know, for Park Salyer is giving that higher grade to the primary. That's then being upgraded with the enrichment at Park Salyer, and particularly it's the, you know, being in the right alteration zone in the Potassic and Phillip that's really driving that increasing grade, particularly with the good ratio of pyrite to chakrapyrite through that zone. Great, thank you, Anthony. Both question, could you comment on possible synergies that could exist with the neighboring Santa Cruz project? There seems to be some confusion about how much of their project area is on private versus public lands. Yeah, well, I can take that one on. I mean obviously from their public document, which was part of their IPO, they've indicated that they will be looking at both a flotation and a leaching process.
25:00 And of course at this juncture in time we are only looking at a leaching process. So certainly there could be some natural synergies there, given the close proximity of the operations that, you know, if we got into production first and We had a heat leach operation with an SXCW. It would make perfect sense to potentially look at processing maybe material from Ivanhoe Electric that was leachable. And then on the opposite side of that equation, we have primary material. Obviously, we're working with Rio and the Newton technology to see if that material could be leachable, but it is a new technology which is unproven. Of course, we do know a chalcopyrite can be processed through a normal copper concentrator and a flotation process which Ivanhoe Electric has indicated might be amenable to some of their ore.
25:59 So there's the potential that maybe they put in a primary concentrator on their property and they've got the ability to take our primary sulfide. So that to me would be 1 potential synergy that I think over time as the companies advance their projects should be explored given the close proximity of both projects. Absolutely. With the size and grade of the park's salient resource, does this shift the center of gravity with respect to the development in this area versus Cactus? Ian, perhaps you want to take that question on? Sure. There's a short term and long term answer to that question. In the short term, We have shifted the center of gravity, as Joe stated there.
26:50 But in the sense that we've moved on to the indicated portion of the drilling program, because we need to bring that resource confidence up. And then, you know, obviously, alongside that, we continue our technical work, including mine design and that sort of thing. So there's going to come a point in time down the road or a little longer term where we start to put all that together versus cactus to see what makes sense from a sequencing perspective and you know what comes first so to speak and how that feeds into things like leach pad size and SXCW size and things of that nature. So yeah at the moment we're obviously focusing on that infill drilling, but there'll come a time where we mesh the 2 technical streams, if you will, and really via scenario analysis try to understand What makes the best sense for the property.
27:47 Right, OK. Joe wants to know, given the push for critical minerals, albeit copper is not considered in the US at the moment, does that open up funding alternatives from the US governments similar to other minerals? I think it does. I mean, obviously, there's various groups in the U.S. Which are lobbying the U.S. Government. And, you know, Robert Friedland himself, Ivanhoe Electric, it's one of the reasons why he's invested so heavily in the US now with Santa Cruz and the Tentac property in Utah, that he believes ultimately copper will be a strategic metal and will be highly sought by the US government. So yeah, I think over time it does.
28:39 Okay, fair enough. What's the likely mining method for the Park Sailer? So, I mean, very early days on that. There's no doubt, you know, some sort of bulk mining method, especially if it means underground, which it likely will, would be the order of the day, so to speak. But, again, you know, We just hired a senior engineer to start doing some of that work internally. And then once we're in a position with the updated resource, we'll hand over the work sort of we've done to a consultant and work alongside a consultant to understand what makes sense and what fits best for that poor body.
29:24 Fair enough. Are there any discussions going on regarding the source and price of acid for the SXCW process? Yes, those conversations have already taken place. I mean, obviously, we were driving towards a pre-feasibility study purely on cactus. Of course, we recognized several months ago that Park Salia would not be included in that report, yet it could be quite material. So we basically, as we've announced this morning, we deferred that PFS, giving ourselves the opportunity to build in a Parkesalia and potentially even the Newton technology if it were successful. But as part of that PFS process, we did go out for quotes on sulfuric acid.
30:14 Obviously, you know, it was at a time of high volatility and a lot of uncertainties and- we were looking for sulfuric acid prices not today. But you know 2 to 3 years out. So the PEA. Had 120 dollars a ton. Associates in 20 21. Today's sulfuric acid prices are north of $200 a tonne. And within our PFS that never went to market, we were anticipating around about $170 a tonne would be the operating cost for the sulfuric acid. And interestingly, that number actually paired up quite well with the HUD Bay PEA on Rosemont, where they had $170 a ton as their operating costs for sulfuric acid. So we definitely felt that the number we had quotes on and we were using was appropriate.
31:15 Of course, all of that will now have to be redone when we redo this PFS in the next 12 to 18 months. We'll have to go out and get more market quotes at that time. Absolutely. Joe in the audience says that he believes Newton is a proprietary tech of Rio Tinto. How do you discuss that in a technical report? Well we're going to have to obviously get our QP very comfortable with the technology. And as Ian sort of alluded to earlier, the physical column tests with the leaching with the Newton technology are in the process of starting up. And we saw within the computer modeling that it was anywhere between 200 and 220 days of leaching time was predicted before we sort of got up to a 75 to 80 percent recovery of the copper within the Chalcopyrite.
32:17 So once those physical column tests actually do start, we'll be bringing our QP in sort of under the tent, and he'll be working with ourselves in Rio to get very comfortable with the technology. And, you know, hopefully, you know, at some point in time, if we see promising results and we can actually build that into the technical report, then obviously the QP has to be comfortable with that and sign off on it. Okay, fair enough. What's your cash position currently and are you raising money in the short term? Yeah, as I said in the presentation, our cash position today is we've got slightly north of 28 million US dollars cash in the bank. And thankfully, we don't have to come to market and raise any money at this juncture in time.
33:08 That's great. Could you comment on the water rights at Cactus and are they transferable to Park Salier? Ian, you want to take this one on? Yeah, because it's, the site is considered the cactus site, you know, with multiple ore bodies on it, it's definitely water confined within the property. So therefore, transferable, I guess, if you want to use that term, between each of the ore bodies. So as far as the water rights we have, I believe we published this last year, but we've received approval from the ADWR to access 3,600 acre feet over a pre-year, over a 50-year period.
33:56 So it's a lower aquifer. Water is heavily impacted by metals, not from previous mining, but from basically geology in the area. So the water was deemed for industrial use only, so we were able to tap into that allotment. So that's available to us. I think the other key thing there, Ian, is that when we do our water balance, both within the PEA and the draft PFS, we're only actually using about 1200 acre feet per year of the 3800 acres in totality that we have available. I suspect that may increase with Park Salier coming into the plan, but ultimately I believe we will have excess water rights that we won't be fully taking advantage of. And as Ian already pointed out, those water rights are transferable.
34:55 So coming back to the question that was raised earlier about synergies between ourselves and other projects in the immediate area, there certainly could be opportunities there as well. Oh fair enough, absolutely. Can you talk to us about upcoming catalysts for the company in the next 6 months? Yeah, well I mean obviously as Anthony's described, we're continuing with the NFL drilling at Park Salier. So I think between now and the end of the first quarter of next year, we'll be getting all the drill results back from the assay lab. So the market should expect infill drilling results over the course of the next 6 to 8 months.
35:41 With those column tests starting up on the Newton technology, I would probably expect that some juncture towards the end of the first quarter next year With the columns running at least 6 months We'll probably have some preliminary indication of how the Newton technology is is Performing in leaching the the chalcopyrite And obviously we would have to clear this with Rio and Newton, but there could be an opportunity obviously then to release some preliminary results to the market in the first half of next year. And then our plan as well is to go back to infill drilling at Cactus East. That's part of moving the indicated resource into the measured.
36:26 And some of that material obviously could then go into the re-scoped PFS and ultimately a bankable feasibility study as a proven reserve. And assuming that, you know, our budgets are approved in December, I think there will be some monies that will get allocated to further exploration around the site. As Anthony's alluded to, you know, that northeast corridor from Park Salire heading back to Cactus West is still to be tested. The primary sulfide below the open pit still has to be fully tested to the bottom of the basement fault. And then we've got that northeast extension where a sarco drilled a couple of holes. They had the copper porphyry system. They walked away from it, however, because the mineralization occurred at least 1,000 feet down the hole.
37:16 And they weren't looking for an underground deposit. They were interested in near surface mineralization and hence the reason why they walked away. So there's a lot of positive news flow I believe coming from the project over the course of the next 6 to 9 months. All right, gentlemen, well, thank you. That was a great presentation and another great Q&A session. That is all the questions we received for today. So with that, I'd like to thank not only you for coming on, but also everyone in the audience today, especially those who did ask questions and participate. But before we wrap up the day fully, I want to pass things back to you just for some closing remarks. Yeah, thank you, Cam. Appreciate that. Well, again, thank you everyone for joining us here today.
38:01 I think the results that we've put out today from Park Salier are exceptional. You know, we believed when we initiated this drilling campaign in late December last year that based on the geophysics and the sonic soil sampling, there could be upwards of 3 billion pounds at better than 1% copper in the ground. And I'm very happy, obviously, to report that the project management team, including the exploration team, have done a great job in coming in right at the top end of that range. And I'm sure everybody would recognize from the slides that there's still a hell of a lot more exploration potential on this property. Obviously the markets aren't cooperating at the moment, but my message here today would be, think about the long-term fundamentals of the copper supply demand curves.
38:52 And when you start to look out, you know, 5 to 10 years, the supply is just not going to be there with respect to the demand as we've discussed through the presentation. And I believe that the only way supply can have any chance of, you know, keeping up with demand is through incentivization through pricing. And that ultimately means that the copper price and some other commodities that are associated with the green energy sector are going to have to go a lot higher in order to incentivize projects to come into production and also to keep some existing mines actually in production where grades are diminishing, costs are going up, you know, marginalized ore just can't be mined profitably.
39:40 And through incentivization of prices, the only way supply is going to keep up with demand. And I think, you know, for people who are invested in the copper sector and pick the right projects, their long investment in the longer term is going to be significantly rewarded and Arizona Sonora Copper Company is going to be one of those projects that create significant returns for the shareholders of the company. All right, George. Well, with that, thank you very much for coming on yet again. And with that, we will be wrapping up, though. So I hope you, your team, and everyone in the audience has a good rest of the day. Cheers.