Tronox Holdings (NYSE:TROX) Q4 2020 Earnings Call

0:00 Hello and welcome to the Trials Holding plc fourth quarter and full year 2020 earnings column webcast. All participants will be in listening mode. Should you need assistance, please signal a conference specialist by pressing the star key followed by zero. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. To ask a question, you may press star then one on your touchtone phone. To throw your question, please press star then two. Please note, today's event is being recorded. are now returning to call us over, Jennifer Guenther, Vice President of Investor Relations. Ms. Guenther, please go ahead.

0:37 Thank you, and welcome to our fourth quarter and full year 2020 conference call and webcast. On our call today are John Romano and Jean-Francois Turgeon, co-chief executive officers on an interim basis, and Tim Carlson, chief financial officer. www.investor.tronox.com Moving to slide two. A reminder that comments made on this call and the information provided in our presentation and on our website include certain statements that are forward-looking and subject to various risks and uncertainties, including but not limited to the specific factors summarized in our SEC filings. This information represents our best judgment based on today's information.

1:26 However, actual results may vary based on these risks and uncertainties. The company undertakes no obligation to update or revise any forward-looking statements. During the conference call, we will refer to certain non-US GAAP financial terms that we use in the management of our business and believe are useful to investors in evaluating the company's performance. Reconciliations to their nearest US GAAP terms are provided in our earnings release and in the appendix of the accompanying presentation. Moving to slide three, it's now my pleasure to turn the call over to John Romano. John?

1:58 Thanks Jennifer and good morning everyone and thank you for joining us today. For today's call, I'll first provide a review of the year and the quarter and walk through the commercial performance summary, and then I'll turn the call over to JF to discuss our operational performance, synergies, and key capital projects for 2021. Tim will then review our financial position and outlook. But before we turn to the financial highlights, I wanted to take a moment and review the priorities we laid out in 2020 in response to COVID-19. Throughout the pandemic our focus has been on the safety, health, and well-being of our employees and their families. Operating safely in all respects with managing our ongoing operations and protecting, preserving, and strengthening our business and laying the foundation for the future. JF and I are very pleased with the organization's delivery of these priorities.

2:48 Safety has always been one of our first priorities at Trinox and in 2020 we achieved a record safety year. we are very proud of this accomplishment especially considering the challenging external circumstances presented over the last year i'd like to take this opportunity to thank all of our employees for their continued commitment to safety we are on a journey to zero and that journey starts with the performance records like we had in 2020. at the start of the pandemic our operations were designated as essential allowing us to continue to operate producing reliable funds for our customers additionally and importantly we've kept an eye on protecting preserving preserving and strengthening our business and laying the foundation for the future we continue to increase our focus on sustainability for the first time in 2020 we published a GRI report for the combined legacy Tronox and Crystal organization and for 2021 we'll be adding to our annual bonus metrics on carbon reduction sustainability will continue to be at the heart of everything we do at Tronox Now turning to slide 4, I'll review the fourth quarter highlights.

3:59 Our strong fourth quarter results reflected the benefits of our vertically integrated business model and optimized operations during the continuation of a market recovery across all products, end markets, and geographies. Revenues in the quarter increased 13% year-over-year, or 16% sequentially, driven by improved TiO2, Zircon, and feedstock and other volumes. I'll cover more on the market recovery in a few minutes. Adjusted EBITDA for the quarter was $204 million with an adjusted EBITDA margin of 26% compared to an adjusted EBITDA of $156 million in the year-ago quarter. This represents our strongest adjusted EBITDA margin quarter performance of 2020 and our strongest adjusted EBITDA performance since closing the Crystal acquisition, a demonstration of the power of the combination and the delivery of the transaction synergies.

4:51 We delivered $243 million in total synergies in 2020, exceeding the $220 million run rate synergy target we set for 2022 at Investor Day in 2019, two years earlier than anticipated. These best synergies were $193 million of the $243 million ahead of the $185 million target we laid out in the third quarter earnings call. JF will provide more details on synergies and our expectations for continued incremental synergies later in the call. We generated $57 million in net income for the fourth quarter versus $1 million in the year-ago quarter. Our adjusted earning per share for the quarter was $0.19 compared to $0.07 in Q4 2019.

5:38 We generated $160 million in free cash flow for the year, evidence of the strength of our portfolio even in a challenged macro environment. JF, Tim, and I remain committed to deleveraging and reducing our gross debt to $2.5 billion by 2023. We will make an additional $300 million discretionary debt repayment by the end of the first quarter from cash on the balance sheet in addition to the $200 million discretionary debt repayment we made in December. Moving to slide 5, as I mentioned previously, our commercial performance was extremely strong on the back of a continuation of the market recovery. Revenue of $783 million was 13% higher than $693 million to the year-ago quarter, driven by volume improvements across all products and favorable FX rates. TIO2 pigment sales of $587 million were 8% higher, driven primarily by a favorable deviation from the typical fourth quarter seasonality.

6:39 Shared volumes improved most significantly in Asia Pacific, followed by South and Central America, Europe, Middle East, and Africa, versus the year-ago quarter. TIO2 selling prices were stable when adjusted for currency, as expected, and attributable, again, to the continued success of a large instability program. Zircon sales of $94 million were 32% improved versus a year ago. Zircon sales volumes were 48% higher than compared to Q4 of 2019, driven by significant improvement in market demand, primarily in China. Zircon selling prices were 10% lower than the year-ago quarter, consistent with the trends from previous quarters in the year due to a decline in Zircon pricing late in the fourth quarter of 2019 and early in 2020.

7:28 In feedstock and other products, sales of $102 million increased 31%, largely due to improved pig iron sales volumes. The first quarter was the final quarter for our mandated CP flag sales per the FTC consent order, which will have a temporary drag on our Q1 adjusted EBITDA margin, as the margin benefit from the internal feedstock will not be realized until the second quarter when the TiO2 is sold. This is due to the 60 to 90 day period it takes feedstock to move through our portfolio. Utilizing the feedstock internally will improve our vertical integration to approximately 85% in 2021. The quarter's performance represented a continuation of the third quarter improvement due to the market recovery, a trend we've seen continuing into the first quarter.

8:17 Organic market demand has remained incredibly strong which has continued to drive improved volumes on a year-over-year basis. If the current favorable trajectory continues to the end of the quarter we anticipate TO2 sales volumes for the quarter to increase 11 to 15 percent sequentially. We have experienced a few disruptions thus far in the quarter across the shipping sector and we're working to mitigate those logistical disruptions to ensure we land comfortably inside the range for the quarter. We expect zircon demand to remain strong in the quarter as well, which should result in record zircon volumes. I now turn the call over to JF for a review of our operating performance and profitability in the quarter, as well as a review of our synergies and key capital projects. JF?

9:02 Thank you, John. Good morning, everyone. Moving to slide six, I will walk you through our operational performance for the quarter. A just EBITDA of $204 million was 31% higher than a year ago quarter. As John mentioned, a record quarter for Tronux. We benefit from volume and mix improvement. $31 million in incremental synergy in the quarter and favorable FX rate. We also receive a $12,000,000 reimbursement from claim related to the Ginkgo Concentrator failure we inherit as part of the Crystal transaction.

9:54 $8,000,000 of the claim was recognized in order income as it pertained to period prior to the acquisition and $4,000,000 was recognized as reduction to cost of goods sold in the fourth quarter. This was offset by lower Zircon price. As John outlined previously, an increased production cost driven by the adjustment of our operation to accommodate the effect of the pandemic versus Q4 2019. As we forecast on our previous earnings call, which improved sequentially due to the lower idle facility charge.

10:42 Overall, our operation remained stable in the quarter, and with our outstanding safety performance for the year, I am extremely proud of our organization for this incredible accomplishment, because of to the commitment by the Tronox team. I'm also very pleased with the accomplishment of the organization in again over delivering on our synergy target. Turning to slide seven, we deliver $243 million in total synergy in 2020. Exceeding the $220 million run rate synergy target we set for in 2022, at investor day in 2019, as shown in the slide capture on the left side of the page.

11:43 The chart on the right side of the page outlined the breakout of EBITDA synergy across the key buckets. While the majority of the synergy saving were in FG&A in 2020, An increasing amount are being realized from operation, feedstock, and supply chains. Given the majority of our target synergy were from true cost saving and not tied to volume, we were able to deliver very strong performance, two years ahead of our original schedule. We expect to continue to realize incremental synergy in 2021 and 2022. The pacing will depend on the pace of the market recovery as volume will drive increased opportunity.

12:43 We currently anticipate 60 million of incremental synergy in each of 2021 and 2022. The continued delivery of incremental synergy, combined with the momentum on the commercial side of the business, we anticipate will result in Q1 2021 adjusted EBITDA of 200 to 210 millions of dollars. While synergy has been a significant part of the Tronox story for the last two years, The next step of the Tronox story will be in our capital project in 2021, which I review on the next slide.

13:33 Please turn to slide 8. As we discussed on our third quarter earnings call, two key capital projects will continue the advancements of our vertical integrated strategy. expected to enhance our position as a leading kio2 producer and the industry leader in financial performance. Project Neutron is our global multi-year digital transformation strategy initiative aimed to reduce operational costs to enable Tronux to maximize the benefit of vertical integration and achieve a sustainable first quartile integrated cost position.

14:25 This project will introduce proven immense automation technology, implement process improvement and deploy operational excellence across the portfolio of our mining, upgrading and pigment assets. Reducing our production cost per ton of TiO2. We expect capital expenditure associated with this project of approximately $75 million in each of 2021 and 2022. This project will drive cost reduction of $150 to $200 per ton.

15:13 with project return starting this year. Additionally, there are incremental cost reduction opportunity on an additional $150 per ton in the second phase of Neutron with the rollout of the project across more of our site. Also, Atlas Capacity is the next mine development in our pipeline of high-value mine projects, available to maintain our feedstock integrations from existing assets. This project will replace supply from our existing Snapper Ginkgo mine, which are nearing end of life. This mine site, located in eastern Australia, is abundant in natural rutile and high-value zircon and will be a significant source of high-grade ilmenite suitable for direct use, synthetic rutile production, or slag processing.

16:21 The project ensures that we maintain the current level of feedstock integration and Zircon Supply to strengthen our strategy of vertical integration. Capital expenditure associated with our mine development will total approximately $75 billion in each of 2021 and 2022. In total, we expect capital expenditure of approximately $350 million in 2021. Our annual maintenance and EHS capital expenditure are approximately $125 million per year. Our high-return projects and cost-improvement activities such as small-bottle necking projects typically are approximately $75 to $125 million.

17:26 Bringing our normal capital expenditure in a given year to $200 to $250 million. Project Neutron and the Atlas Capacity project drive the balance of the increase to the $350 million in 2021. We will continue, as we did in 2020, to manage our capital as required depending on the global macroeconomic condition and resulting market demand. I will now turn the call over to Tim Carlson for a review of our financial position. Tim? Thanks, Jeff.

18:12 On slide 9, in the top left quadrant, we have outlined our liquidity and capital resources at the end of the quarter. We have $1 billion in total available liquidity, including $619 million of cash and cash equivalents. Our cash is appropriately distributed amongst our global operations and we have no trapped cash. Moving to the top right quadrant, our total debt at the end of the fourth quarter was $3.3 billion, and our net debt was $2.7 billion, resulting in a trailing 12-month net leverage of 4.1 times. We have made a $200 million discretionary debt repayment in December and are anticipating an incremental $300 million discretionary debt repayment before the end of the first quarter from cash on the balance sheet as we announced in January.

19:00 As you will see in the chart, we have no maturities on our term loans or bonds until 2024, and we have no financial covenants on our term loans or bonds. Our capital allocation policy remains unchanged. We continue to prioritize disciplined capital spending on high return projects, including those JF just outlined, and deleveraging with a targeted net leverage of two to three times and gross debt of $2.5 billion. Moving to the lower half of the page, capital expenditures in the fourth quarter were $66 million, and our depreciation, depletion, and amortization expense was $85 million. Year-to-date capital expenditures were $195 million, which represents a reduction of $80 million from the midpoint of our original target for the year due to prudent management of our growth and cost improvement capital as a result of COVID-19.

19:55 Our free cash flow for the quarter was $133 million. Improvements in EBITDA, inventory levels, and accounts payable, partly offset by increased capital spending, resulted in improved fourth quarter free cash flow. While our outstanding receivable balance increased at year end given increased revenues, we continue to have no accounts receivable aging concerns. Turning to slide 10, I'd like to review our outlook. As John mentioned, due to the expected continuation of strong sales trends from Q4 2020, we expect KIO2 sales volumes to increase 11% to 15% sequentially. As JF mentioned, we anticipate Q1 2021 adjusted EBITDA of $200 to $210 million, driven by strong commercial performance and continued delivery of incremental synergies.

20:47 Partly offsetting some of the benefits in Q1 will be headwinds from FX, primarily the South African Rand and the Australian dollar. As a reminder, a one ZAR movement on a quarterly basis is equivalent to approximately $6 to $7 million of EBITDA, and a one cent Australian dollar movement is equivalent to approximately a $1 to $2 million impact on a quarterly basis. In addition to FX, we will see slightly increased cost of goods sold in Q1 versus Q4 as we lose the benefit of lower cost TO2 tons produced in Q2 that were sold in Q4. So in Q1, we'll be selling TO2 which was produced at higher cost in Q4 given we reduced our production levels to align with market demand.

21:37 Along the same vein, we'll have no margin contribution from CP slag sales in the first quarter, which will be a high single digit headwind. This is a one time impact in the first quarter, and we'll see the benefit of using the low cost feedstock in Q1 production when TO2 is sold in Q2. As a result of these two items, we should see EBITDA margins improve for the remainder of the year. Given the continued market improvement, we want to remind the audience of our business sensitivities to the impact of TiO2 volume and price movements. Given our vertically integrated business model, we expect EBITDA margins of 25 to 30% on incremental TiO2 volumes. Additionally, for Tronox, a $100 per ton move in TiO2 price is approximately equivalent to $90 million in EBITDA on an annualized basis.

22:31 We hope that a reminder of these figures will help investors more accurately understand impacts to our EBITDA performance. Moving on to our estimated uses of cash for full year 2021. We expect cash interest expense between $160 and $170 million, cash taxes of $20 to $40 million, capital expenditures of $350 million, and net pension contributions of less than $10 million. We do not expect working capital to be a use of cash and we're currently managing it to be a source of cash in 2021. High return internal investments and debt pay down remain our highest capital priorities. And finally, as we announced in January, we have increased our annual dividend from 28 cents to 32 cents per share.

23:21 equivalent to a 14% increase effective when the normal Q1 2021 dividend is expected to be declared during the quarter. I will now turn the call back over to John.

23:33 Thank you, Jim. Before concluding our prepared remarks, I wanted to close by revisiting our strategy on slide 11. While we at Charnox have gone through some interim senior management changes, our strategy and business model remain unchanged. It is still focused on these pillars to become an advantaged global TIO2 leader. Our focus on capital expenditures will be dedicated to pursuing these pillars. Neutron directly addresses several of those components. As JF outlined, the project will transform our operations through automation and digitalization, both of which are foundational in reducing our costs and enabling Tronox to be a technology leader. And Atlas Capacity will reinforce our distinct advantage through feedstock integration.

24:20 We will continue to invest in these projects and deliver with incremental free cash flow while continuing to improve our safety track record and drive progress and enable achievement across all of these pillars. As we've conveyed on this call, we have a great year in front of us. Our strategy drives our ability to leverage our unique portfolio to optimize our assets and secure our position as the most adaptable, resilient TIO2 industry leader and allow us to continue to deliver industry-leading financial performance. That concludes our prepared remarks, and with that, I'd like to open the call for questions. Operator? Yes, thank you. We will now begin the question-and-answer session. To ask a question, you may press the star then one on your touchtone phone. If you're using a speakerphone, please pick up your handset before pressing the keys.

25:08 To try your question, please press the star and the 2. At this time, we will pause momentarily to assemble the roster. And the first question comes from John McNulty with PMO Capital Markets.

25:20 Yeah, good morning. Thanks for taking my question. I guess maybe the first one would just be on the volume strength that you're looking at for the first quarter. So you're looking for a pretty strong sequential improvement. I guess, how do you think, and it's certainly stronger than the normal seasonality, I guess, how do you think about or how are you thinking about the seasonality and how it plays out throughout this year in 2021? Should we see kind of the usual jump from From 1Q into 2 and 3Q and then it's fade again or is it going to be a little bit different this time? I guess how are you thinking about that?

25:55 This is John Romano, so I'll answer that one. So the fourth quarter, as we mentioned, strayed significantly away from normal seasonality. We had a fourth quarter that was very strong, and the first quarter is coming out to be very strong as well. So I would say that the normal seasonality is not in place because of the strong demand that we're seeing. There's, I'd say, a fair amount of Thank you for your question.

26:37 Yeah, no, that's helpful. And then I guess can you speak to how you're thinking about pricing as we look through the year? I mean, we've certainly started to see some pretty chunky price increases and announcements on a global basis. So I guess can you kind of speak to how you're thinking about pricing progressing throughout the year and then how some of your longer-term contracts that you're locking in, like how should we be thinking about what impact that may have on your pricing for this year?

27:07 Well, so we're experiencing good development on pricing globally in every market segment that we're selling into in the first quarter. And some of that depends on where we are. In China, we do have an operation there. We saw that pricing moving up towards the end of last year and into the first quarter. We're seeing pricing move in Europe, Middle East, Africa. APAC and North America so we're seeing pricing moving up across the spectrum with regards to long-term contracts and I assume you're referring to margin stability we do have some of those contracts in place But as we think about the momentum on pricing moving into 2021, we're not going to be running probably at the pace of increase that we were back in the last financial crisis in 2010 when it recovered. But we expect an opportunity to see good movement on pricing moving into the year.

28:01 Got it. Thanks very much for the call.

28:05 You're welcome. Thank you. and the next question comes from Frank Mitch with Fermion Research, LLP Policy.

28:13 Hey, good morning, folks. Nice end to the year. I was struck by the comment on Zircon Volumes and 1Q being a record, expected to be a record. I guess I've been, you know, kind of accustomed that that would be kind of a lumpy type of business, you know, very strong in one quarter and that's a strong in another quarter and obviously coming off a very strong So can you talk about the end uses there and what's driving that very strong buy-in you're expecting in 1Q and if you could talk about the sustainability as you see it.

28:46 Thanks Frank, this is John again. So we did have a very strong recovery in the fourth quarter and moving into the first quarter, China is a big driver of demand on Zircon and we've seen a significant uptick there. So it's not only in China, it's pretty much in every market that we're selling into. you know we reference a lot of things that are going on with stimulus whether it's pio2 or zircon stimulus has driven i think a lot of the uptick but it's not the only thing that's driving it there's an increase in demand so um you know it's clear that we have some inventory and we're able to take advantage of that inventory and converting it into cash as the market is recovering And like we said in the prepared comments, based on the trajectory of the demand we're looking at right now, we would expect Q1 to be a record Zircon sales quarter.

29:43 Interesting. Interesting.

29:45 Thanks. And I guess, JF, if I could follow up on the Atlas project, you know, which is going to replace Q1. Capacity that's the line that's the near end of life. How does that impact your vertical integration? How should we think about the cost structures that the Atlas project will have on Tronox?

30:09 Thanks Frank for this question look like every mine when they reach their hand of life the cost structure is always higher than when you start with a brand new mine because at the beginning of the operation of a mine you're in the high grade zone so you have to see that our cost position from a mining point of view will improve as we start Atlas and we closed the Genco snapper mine will also benefit from more product coming out of the Atlas mine in the first three years of the Atlas operation because look a mine has a life of its own and obviously that investment you know is a long-term investment for the next 10 years The Atlas deposit is better than the Snapper Ginkgo, specifically in the first three years of operation.

31:10 I think that's going to be positive for us, but we obviously need to build the mine first.

31:19 I hope that helps. Got you. That's very helpful. You're expecting additional capacity, at least in the beginning of it, and overall lower cost to Tronix. That's right. Great. Thank you so much. Thank you. And the next question comes from Hassan Ahmed with Olympic Global.

31:38 Good morning, guys. You know, question around your 2-1 guidance. You know, initially when I read the press release, the earnings release, Looking at relatively sort of flat EBITDA sequentially with a backdrop of 11% to 15% TIO2 volume increments, surprising a little bit, but obviously on the call you guys have talked about a series of one-offs, be it the CP slag side of things, be it selling sort of higher cost TIO2 produced in Q4 and Q1, and then obviously the whole FX side of things as well. What I'm trying to understand is that if some of those one-offs weren't there in Q1, how would, you know, I mean, could you give us some sort of a measure of, you know, what sort of lost EBITDA you may have on the back of these one-offs, be it, you know, be it the absolute measure or be it what sort of margin compression is being caused by these one-offs?

32:42 Thanks for the question. It's Tim. The three items that we mentioned and you just summarized, FX, no feedstock sales, and then a higher cost TO2, I'll address each one of them. The FX impact in the quarter is going to be worth about, we're estimating given the current rates, about $10 million of a headwind. The lack of the feedstock sales in Q1 given the end of the FTC consent order We'll get the benefit of that obviously in Q2 and Q3 and Q4 when we use that feedstock internally. So that'll be a high single-digit headwind, EBITDA headwind in the quarter. And then lastly, the TIO2 cost structure, Sasan, as we talked about in our Q3 and our Q4 calls.

33:31 As we reduced our production to match market demand, we had an increase in over-absorption on a per-unit basis, which cost us about one to two margin points in the quarter, so we should see that reversing in Q2 as well. So once the two items flow through, we'll see a continued improvement in EBITDA on Q2, 3, and 4, and depending on when it ends up with FX, we'll either have a headwind or a little bit of a tailwind there.

34:02 That's very helpful, very helpful. And as a follow-up on pricing, you know, it seems that, you know, there was some price hikes on the table for January, and that's obviously, you know, not even the seasonally strong period. And it seems, you know, as things are evolving with demand looking as robust as it is, possibly there are more price hikes to come. I'm just trying to understand the realization of these pricing increments keeping in mind the margin stability measures you guys have. So could you sort of help us think through how we should think about how you guys, you know, the mix of You know, longer term contracts, you know, as a percentage of maybe, you know, your overall portfolio, you know, is it 10% that are sort of, you know, long term contracted for, is it higher than that, lower than that, just some sense around that, please.

34:58 This is John again. So from the standpoint of margin stability and we typically haven't provided a lot of guidance on how many customers we have on that. Our program is a little bit different. These are win-win situations that we've negotiated over time. I would say that we've got, like I mentioned earlier, plenty of runway on price moving into the quarter and into second quarter from the standpoint of our ability. It also depends on the region that we're selling into. Margin stability is not something that everybody is accustomed to or wants. Our's was not a mandated, it was a choice with regards to what unique kind of setup we could have with individual customers. So I would say, depending upon the region, we've got, specific to Asia Pacific, there's not a lot of margin stability in there.

35:54 And I mentioned earlier on China, for instance, a piping is moving very quickly there. We have a plant there. We've been moving that price as costs have moved up. Since, you know, I'd say the fourth quarter into the first quarter. And, you know, we're seeing Chinese TIO2 pricing from our facility and exports now approaching chloride pricing. So I'd say there's still some upside with regards to where that's going. And it's having an influence on our ability to move the price on the chloride side as well.

36:28 Very helpful. And is it fair to assume that even, you know, these long-term contracts will have some sort of pricing escalators maybe a couple of times a year which you could revisit, you know, based on maybe some sort of, you know, competitive pricing index or something like that?

36:45 I'm not going to go into the details of the contracts, but ours, I would say, again, it's not a standard process that's generated by an index. These are contracts that are individualized with customers. They do have opportunities to move pricing during the year. Perfect. Okay. That answers it. Thank you so much.

37:09 Thank you. Thank you. And the next question comes from Josh Spector with UBS.

37:17 Yeah, hey guys, thanks for taking my question. Just on TO2 volumes, you know, based on your 1Q guide, I was wondering if you could give us a feel of where your capacitor utilizations are expected to be in the next quarter. And kind of with that in mind, how are you thinking about potential growth from 1Q through the rest of the year and maybe even over the next couple of years?

37:39 Josh, it's JF. Look, obviously, as Tim mentioned, we had a debt for production in Q2 and Q4 last year. But when we saw this strong pickup in demand happening, we have restart all of our assets. and we are in the process of having all of our plants running at full capacity. I would say the exception is our Yambu plant in the Middle East and we're not as quick as bringing that plant to full capacity because of the COVID-19 situation and I think you remember that on Investor Day we said that we would use the know-how of our Hamilton plant to help bring the volume out of that facility at the same level as Hamilton and the travel restrictions have kind of delayed a little bit our success in doing that but it's certainly something that we're working on at the moment and as the market continues to increase and we have more demand for our product we'll ramp up the capacity of all our assets to meet that demand.

39:02 Okay, thanks. That's helpful. And just on the Zircon side, it's two quick things. I mean, kind of a follow-up from Frank's question about the strength of volumes in 1Q. Where do you think Zircon volumes could be for 21? I guess I kind of think about the 40 to 50 ton range as kind of the more normalized quarterly basis. Do you get back to there in 2Q, 3Q, or does that sustain higher? And then related with that, pricing has continued to kind of come down pretty modestly the past couple quarters sequentially. What turns that around or does that turn around in your view over the next couple quarters here? Thanks.

39:40 So from the volume perspective, I would say that, again, I'm not going to suggest we're going to have record sales quarters every quarter. And I think to the point that was made earlier about shipments being somewhat lumpy, we are still having some disruptions. I didn't reference that on the call with regards to some of the shipping channels. But I would expect 2021 is going to be a better year than 2020 by all measures on Zircon. and our volumes in the first quarter are typically not the peak but we also I think there's a bit of inventory rebuilding from our customer base. The fact that there are shipping issues and a lot of these shipments are based on bulk shipments Thank you for joining us.

40:42 I would say that based on what we're seeing right now, we should see some of that additional volume creep outside of the Q1 into Q2 as well. And 2021 is definitely going to be a better year for us on volume. As far as pricing goes, if we're looking into the second quarter, I would expect that we would start to see some upside potential to move price on Zircon moving into Q2. Thank you.

41:13 thank you thank you and once again please press star then one if you would like to ask a question and the next question comes from roger spitz with bank of america thanks very much um good morning um can you give an update on the design uh smelter i'm not sure i saw any mention of it in the press release

41:38 Roger, it's JF. Look, as we said in our last quarter, we were expecting Javan to start toward the end of the second half of this year. There's a little bit of a delay. That delay is created by a logistic issue that the main contractor, Metso Autotec, is experiencing. I think we talked about the important modification that were being made by the provider of the technology to the smelter and because of COVID-19 some shipment of Thank you very much.

42:44 six weeks delay versus what we had originally anticipate and it's all related to COVID-19.

42:54 And related to that I think if I remember correctly you were looking for one up and running at least in the first phase of 12 million a quarter EBITDA benefit. Is that still the case and should we think about with this A modest delay that we really won't see that big of any EBITDA realized in 2021 from the design smelter.

43:25 Hey Roger, it's Tim. That is correct, just given the delay, the event of realization will be delayed as well, but our overall assumptions as it relates to the returns from that project remain unchanged once we get to sustainable operations, which we're expecting in June. Later in 2022.

43:46 That's right. We always said that when we start the commissioning, within a year after the startup, we will know if the project is successful or not and obviously if successful as part of the agreement that we have with CAFNI we will acquire the facility and if not successful well we'll re-evaluate our options yeah so that EBITDA benefit is probably 2023 Roger and not 2022 just given the delays that you have talked about got it thank you very much Thank you. And the next question comes from Travis Edwards with Goldman Sachs.

44:33 Hey, good morning. Thanks for the title this morning. Just maybe a follow-up on design and overall vertical integration. I think after the canceled TTI acquisition, just wanted to ask and see if you're comfortable now with the current level of vertical integration with other projects outside of what you've already highlighted that you're considering in order to get that higher I think in the past you were looking to get to sort of 90-95% which is on NTTI so I'm wondering if your plans there or strategy have changed after dropping the recent acquisition. Thanks.

45:05 Thank you for the question. Look, it's clear that we were disappointed not being able to realize this unique opportunity with TTI. It would have helped the chance of Jazan to be successful because of technology transfer, and it would have been in line with our vertical integration strategy. but as the regulator did not agree with our view of the industry we had to turn around and change what to do and it's clear that Developing Atlas Campaspe as a project is a solution for us that will give us natural rutile, that will give us zircon, and keep us in line with our vertical integration strategy. So instead of doing it through acquisition, we're doing it with brownfield development of our own mining assets. At 85% vertically integrated, we think that this is the best position for the company because obviously our mine will run at full capacity in any market situation. And look, we don't have to buy a lot of feedstock on the market to run our asset at full capacity. So I hope that answers your question,

46:36 Trevor.

46:39 Yeah, that's really helpful, and I guess, quick follow-up, that 85% is pro forma for your current products being completed, is that correct? Or is that where you sit today?

46:48 No, that's where we sit today. As we said, the Atlas Campaspe will replace the Snapper-Ginkgo mine, so we're producing from Snapper and Ginkgo at the moment. Look, I mentioned that Atlas will produce more. But we're also planning to increase our pigment capacity going forward. So that's why we will remain at about 85% even with an increased production from the mine.

47:20 And we also, just a quick add on that, J.F., and we mentioned in the prepared comments the fact that the agreement that we had with the FTC to, you know, continue selling CP slag has ended, so we'll be internalizing that, and that gets us to the 85% as well. That's all I can say. And maybe, yeah.

47:44 We're also working on de-bottlenecking our existing asset to grow the mining and upgrading side at the same rate that we're growing and de-bottlenecking our pigment plant.

48:02 I'll hop the color. Maybe one more quick one, if I may. You just touched on maybe some of the potential logistical constraints impacting your operations in the 1Q timeframe. I'm just wondering if you could elaborate a little bit on that, what's in your control, what's not, and do you expect it to be a concern sort of beyond the next couple weeks, or is this pretty temperate?

48:24 So, look, the logistical issues have been going on, I'd say, consistently through COVID. You know, speaking specifically to this, for us, it's been a lot of ocean freight, having a lot of... Rollovers and things of that nature so it's not something that I would say is critical at this particular stage but it's out there there's no question that there are issues it's absolutely not a demand issue and I referenced that that's why we had you know that variance on the guidance of 11 to 15 percent depending upon how we manage those so again we feel like we'll come comfortably into the range the ranges that we provided on the call but I would expect as we have continued to see these logistical issues around ocean freight lines continue to be congested, port congestion.

49:18 That's probably going to continue into Q2 as well, but we're managing it.

49:25 Awesome. Really appreciate the time this morning. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. And the next question is a follow-up from John McNulty with BMO Capital Markets.

49:36 Thanks for taking my follow-up. Just a question on Project Neutron. I think you indicated that you could start seeing some of the returns actually even in 2021. Can you help us to understand how much of that might be coming in and then how it phases into that 150 to 200 per ton by the end of 2023? Is there a way to think about the sequencing of that?

50:00 Yes, John. Look, I'll try to give you a bit of color around that. Look, Neutron is the automation of our plant and the automation of our processing system. And the first big initiative in Neutron is linked to supply chain. and when I said that we will get benefit it's on the supply chain front in 2021 look it's obviously more toward the fourth quarter of the year that you will see those benefits so there's none of those benefits in q1 and q2 it's a multitude of small project neutrons but the pipeline is very healthy and we feel confident that it is significant the savings that we will see even in 21 and it's obviously raising significantly in 22 to reach the about $150 to $200 per ton toward the end of 23 so you should see an evolution from Q4 this year and every quarter going on all the way to the last quarter of 23.

51:15 So that could help you color how to distribute the saving per ton going forward.

51:22 Got it. And that's in addition to the $60 million of incremental benefits that you think you're going to get this year and next year on the synergies and cost-saving initiatives from Crystal. Is that right?

51:36 That's right. That's correct. As we said, the synergy that we have achieved up to now were really real cost saving. The synergy that we see going forward are more linked to debacle making opportunity like we talk at investor day, transfer of best practice that takes longer to be implemented. But that will still be implemented on top of Neutron, which really is a different technology approach.

52:10 Got it. Perfect. Thanks very much for the caller. Thank you. And this concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Jean-François Dijon, Co-Chief Executive Officer, for any closing remarks.

52:26 Thank you, Keith. In closing, I want to convey how extremely proud John and I are of how dedicated our entire Tronox team has remained throughout 2020, prioritizing safety and looking out for the health and well-being of one another while continuing to deliver safe, quality, low-cost, sustainable ton for our customers. Thank you to our colleagues around the world. Our performance speaks to the resilience of our business and the dedication of our people. Tronox is very well positioned in the recovery.

53:12 We are looking forward to the continued demonstration of the power of our vertically integrated portfolio. Thank you to everyone on the call for your question and interest in Tronox. Have a good day. Thank you. The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. May now just catch your lines.