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37:25 How long will the road take and what is the timeline to when you actually start mining? Yeah, that's a great question. And so you know the road the key aspects of a road construction are going to be as follows. We're going to go into the engineering process and, and the quicker we can get engineering, the quicker the development will happen. Then what we'll look at is developing an initial road, which will be effectively an ice road or a temporary road that will allow us to get access into the site. So that will allow us to bring equipment and materials in as opposed to helicoptering them in. And that road will be used effectively for part of a mine construction. So the development of that road and the ultimate final road will continue while we're looking at the development options of the mine. And then the all weather road will will will go from there in terms of how it will be built, But we're looking, obviously, at a number of years for that final road to be constructed.
38:32 And how we look at mine development overall will really depend on once we get the initial road built and the ability to get materials to site. We're probably looking at 5 to 6 years in terms of having the road completed and being in a position where construction will at a minimum have commenced. Hopefully it will be well developed at that point, but that depends on what we do. There's also a significant pre-stripping that needs to occur to remove the overburden and access your body. So that will be happening during that time period. So, you know, we're probably looking 5 to 6 years out, but we'll have a better sense of that once feasibility comes out with respect to expected timelines.
39:25 Did the PFS consider transporting concentrates by pipeline rather than road rail, especially with future growth potential? Yeah, I don't know, Pat. I don't have the answer to that question. I can answer that. The pipeline has been looked at. The number 1 issue is the economics. We found that it would be much cheaper to go by road. You also remember, we also need the road to bring in supplies, so things like fuel, dry goods, reagents, equipment, that sort of thing. So in the end, the road makes, the road slash rail line, the rail line from Fairbanks is already in place.
40:13 So the road from Ambler to the Dalton Highway makes more sense. Yeah, I think the other thing that we should just highlight on the road is, you know, the other consideration that obviously had been looked at was, is there a different route that you could take and go effectively to where Red Dog is located where they've already got a port and shipping out. And that was certainly a shorter route, but you're going through wetlands, it's more environmentally sensitive area. But the other big consideration is that that port, unfortunately, is only available for a limited part of the year. And for about 9 months, you won't be able to ship concentrate. So when we looked at our options, we definitely felt that having the ability to ship concentrate on a year round basis and get it transported to the Dalton Highway and ultimately to the year round port in Anchorage made a lot more sense from a working capital return perspective even though the distance was somewhat longer in terms of transportation corridor.
41:12 Please explain where you are relative to the actual decision point to build the mine? Realize it may be years, but make an estimate. Thanks. Sure. I mean, we're very much in the early stages of moving things forward. You know, I would say that the record of decision will be a critical milestone for us because that starts us moving in terms of the key infrastructure is needed is the road connecting to the highway, which allows us to get, concentrate ultimately depart, but allows us to bring the materials and to construct the mind. So that's going to be the real determinant. I think from our perspective, we see an opportunity to get going quite quickly on the road and look for an opportunity to commence the engineering process, which is something we'd like to see. And once we can, have, significant process on the road that really opens the door to looking at the economics.
42:12 In the full light of day and the different options to get this mind built. So I think I had set out earlier what we're looking at timeline wise with the road and potential development, but it is really going to be important to get going on the engineering, which we expect to start this year at least on a limited basis. And once that starts to move forward, we hopefully start to look at the different construction options that are there to get at least an initial road in place so we can truck materials and supplies to site. We're all very excited about the potential of Arctic, but also the district. And we're looking at being there for a long time and creating value for our stakeholders, for NANA, for the community, for the state of Alaska.
43:02 So if it's going to take a little longer, it's going to take a little longer, but we expect to have many opportunities in front of us. So we'll take the time necessary to make sure that this mine is constructed properly and that we're thinking about the longer term potential of the district. Can you update guidance for delivery of the BLM EIS approval? I'm going to flip that one to you, Pat. I don't know if you have the details on that. We're expecting the final, but we already have the EIS. The EIS was released at the end of March and all we're waiting now for is a record decision which is issued by the Bureau of Land Management and that'll be co-released with the 404 wetlands permit which is issued by the Army Corps of Engineers and respecting those 2 documents hopefully by the end of this month.
44:02 And as Tony said before, there's some minor issues or that were brought up by the park service, but we're not too concerned about that. Next question. So let's see here, I'm just, oh, the drillers are asking questions. Kevin, all right, Kevin, we've got the drilling company asking questions. Will you be expanding or reducing your exploration drilling? And does that include overnight? It's a good question and you know ultimately the decisions for these Kevin are going to be based in the JV itself in terms of a budget that's there but as you know there's an initial desire to do some infill drilling at Arctic and increase the resource there and focus initially on that, you know, over the past several years, we've had.
44:58 Expanded drilling at 4 night and our expectation is that at the appropriate time we'll return to looking to more drilling and exploration in the area. And I would say that a big part of the story here is the exploration potential in the district. And when we start to look at a 12-year mind life at Arctic, we have to start to be looking well ahead at the other tremendous opportunities that we have there. Maybe, Pat, you can give a bit of sense of how we've been looking at the exploration as well. Well, it's tremendous. And some of you may be aware, my former life, I was an exploration geologist. And how can you not get excited when you look at the spell? I'm just going to find map. You can see here on slide 11, we have an entire volcanic mass of sulphide district.
45:51 These usually have dozens of deposits of high-grade mass of sulphide, much what you see in the Iberian Pyrite belt in Spain and Portugal, which is in mines in Roman times. That's why South 32 likes this story, because we could be here for a long time. The beauty is, we've always focused on Arctic and Boronite and not these other deposits because we didn't have the resources. One thing we are definitely on the same page is that we want to hit the rest of this belt and keep that Arctic Mill operating for 20-30-years as opposed to 12. I think the possibility of that is very, very good. So this is a very unique deposit, very unique mining district, and with great potential size and a great jurisdiction.
46:46 Next question. Besides transportation to the mine with the AMLA road access, how are the power generation needs for the project expected to be met? That's Charles Bell. Hey, Charles, how are you doing? Sure. I mean, the initial thought process for power was that we were going to be looking at LNG as an option. And in the updated, in the feasibility study that we're working on right now, it's likely that we'll be looking at diesel as the primary option from a power gen perspective. And it's just a function of cost and where obviously diesel prices are now, availability, et cetera. So the thought process is diesel will be the primary power generation source for Trilogy and this comes back to the road. That's why we need to make sure that we're in a position where we're able to transport materials, fuel, et cetera, up to site. So that's what we're looking at from a power generation perspective.
47:54 Here's a good question here for Ryan. What will Trilogy's involvement look like in the JEV with cell 32? Will driving the Arctic project through detailed engineering and construction be handled entirely by the forthcoming independent management team or will there continue to be involvement from Trilogy and or cell 32 folks? Great question. And so let's take a step back. The JV has just been constituted. We've vended in the Ambler Mining District. South 32 vended in $145 million. There's a separate management team that will be put in place. It will be independent of Trilogy, independent of South 32. There'll be an oversight, a board that will sit at the Ambler Metals level, which will have representation from South 32 and Trilogy.
48:45 So the independent management team will be looking at all aspects of the development of the Amboy Mining District, including Arctic, and they will make recommendations to the board. And the board consisting of South32 and Trilogy will be the ones that will be approving the development proposals that will be put forward by the management team. I would expect that as a result Trilogy and South 32 will continue to be actively involved in any of the decisions associated with the development, but that will be working with the management team that is expected to be put in place at the Amber level. Next question. If the Amber Road is not approved, what would be the plan?
49:31 Well, you know, I think we're a long ways towards approval. We're not, we don't believe that. He's talking about the road. He's talking about the road. If the road's not approved. Right. And I was going to say that we're a long way to the approval and we expect that approval to come in. So that's not an option that we're looking at at this point in time. If that doesn't happen, then we'll have to reassess where we're going here. How much will bad weather, snow, cold affect operations? You know, so just a bit of background for me, even though I've only been involved with Trilogy for a short period of time, I've been on the board a long time, but for 7 years I was the CFO of Kinross and we operated a large gold mine in Alaska called Fort Knox and quite successfully, in fact, Fort Knox is a great asset and it had a heap leach operation there as well as large as well as large mill and processing capacity. So there's a long history of mining in Alaska and in inclement weather and tough jurisdictions. So we don't see that as an obstacle in terms of being able to operate, whether it's Fort Knox, whether it's POGO, whether it's Red Dog, whether it's some of the other mines that have operated in the past in Alaska, there's lots of companies that have been able to persevere in inclement situations. So we don't see that
51:01 when we look at the operations, snow and cold will affect operations. It will affect how we construct a mine. It will affect how we house people. It will affect some of our strategies associated with that. It will affect how we move materials and supplies and personnel to site, certainly from that perspective, it will have an impact. But in terms of being able to operate there, there's lots of examples in Alaska of being able to operate successfully without it being an issue. The other, I was just gonna say, the only other consideration on operations is on the exploration side, that you end up having a shorter ability or window to be able to conduct exploration activities simply because of weather related issues. Go ahead, Pat.
51:50 Yeah, and there's dozens and dozens of mines in Canada that are remote regions with inclement weather, and usually you build enough stockpile material during the fair weather seasons so that when you do run the hiccups in the winter, you're not interrupted. As a matter of fact, from my experience, the winter is actually some of the best time of year to operate because the ground is nice and frozen. So it's much easier to move material around. You're not having to deal with water. So, and you look at the Red Dog Mine, which is slightly more North than we are and they operate all year. And Their only issue is the ocean is frozen up 9 months of the year, so they only have a three-month shipping window to move their concentrate, which is why we're moving the truck concentrate to the east, to the port of Anchorage, which is open all year round.
52:49 Next question. There's a lot of them. So does Trilogy have access to CEL32's technical teams expertise? Yes. I mean, a key reason of entering into our relationship with South32 was obviously the long operating history that they have as part of being part of BHP originally. Subsequent to that, they've maintained a strong technical exploration capability. So we'll have access to those skills, whether they come in through the JV, i.e. The JV contracting directly with SOS32 or whether SOS32 brings those skills to bear through their oversight of the JV. We'll have to see how that plays out. But our expectation is part of having them involved was their long history in terms of being able to develop and advance projects and strong technical focus.
53:54 Next question, does Cell32 have a seat on your board? No, Cell32 does not have a seat on the board. They have known 11% of the company, but they don't have a seat. And if you look at, we had a slide earlier that had the large shareholders in the company. I would be considered the only non-independent that is on the board. So every other director on the board is independent and no individual shareholders represented by any director that is on the board as it stands. On the access road, in case I missed it, has ADA showed interest in some degree of funding for it?
54:41 Yeah, the plan is that we're looking, I mean, ADA's mandate is to really focus on development of infrastructure to allow economic development to occur in Alaska. So, this is part of their mandate and the model that we're looking at is not dissimilar to what was put in place with respect to the road at Red Dog in terms of having a toll road. So the expectation is that the funding will ultimately come through ADA and other agencies and the recovery of that capital will occur by having a toll on the road and that the users of the road will, and by the way, I wanna stress it, it will be a private road. It's only going to be used for purposes of being able to access the JB and other mining districts that could ultimately develop in the area. And so the users will pay a toll and there'll be a recovery of the capital and ultimately some return on the capital invested that will accrue back to ADA. So that's how we're looking at the development costs associated with the road moving forward.
55:54 Next question. My understanding is that all activity is managed by the JV. Who is the CEO of the JV? So right now, the CEO of a JV is a fellow called Darrell Stein and Darrell has been seconded from South32. We're conducting a search for a CEO and that process is ongoing and we would hope to have someone in place shortly that will assume the reign as president CEO of the JV. Next question, here's a good one. If Joe Biden is elected president in the next election, will permitting for the road and also for the mine of operations be potentially postponed for years?
56:42 I can't really speculate. At the end of the day, the process will be under the US Army Corps of Engineers, which is a political, most of the land will be assessed by them. There's state involvement as well. We would expect that This is the type of project that really isn't a function of which administration is in charge in Washington. It's a project that makes a lot of sense. And it's really about who our partner also is, which is NANA and the Aboriginal Corporation and the beneficiaries in that community. So they have 14,000 shareholders effectively that will ultimately benefit from having this project completed and opening up that district. So we think if you look at what's happening just in the economy in the world right now, but if you look at Alaska and the impact that has happened to either fisheries, tourism, energy, having responsible mining development is something that makes sense. This project, as we said earlier, has a small footprint. It has a quick payback.
57:50 There's lots of upside to see further development. We're going to be in partnership with an Aboriginal corporation that has a long history in mining and has benefited from mining through its association involved with Red Dog. We think that there's a lot of really strong attributes to this project and the future development there. So we would think that regardless of which administration is in place in Washington that will have the support to move this forward. But on a permanent basis, it's really gonna be up to the Army Corps of Engineers. And we would expect that there'll be a political in that process. Was the road already in statute, like say RST 469, a 2477 right away, or did you have to start from scratch?
58:43 Yeah, I don't have that one as part of my history, unfortunately. So I don't have an answer for you. And I don't know if Pat, you have any? I do know, you know, in 1979, Jimmy Carter passed the Alaska National Indians Conservation Act. And what that did was it mandated that there shall be a road or transportation corridor going from the Ambler Mining district to the Dalton Highway. And that specifically addressed the portion of the road that goes through the gates of North Preserve. So that was put into law.
59:28 And so it's always been, you know, since that time, the thought has always been that there would be a road going east from the mining district to the Dalton Highway. If you want more details, I can certainly get back to you. Will the recording of the session be available? I believe it is. Yeah, so that's a question I can answer. Recording is happening right now. It will be available as early as tomorrow, and we'll make sure that the Trilogy team has that. We can distribute it on their website and via email, so we'll make sure you get it. Yeah, okay. Now here's a really good question. There is concern about the possible impact of the mine on the Western Arctic caribou herd.
1:00:17 Can you provide information that will allay these concerns? Well, I think, you know what I, and thank you, William. What I said earlier is, first of all, we're looking to build a private road. One of the things we want to ensure is that this isn't a recreation road, this is a road that's going to be used for people to access hunting and fishing in the area. From a development perspective, we'll be very mindful of our impact on the environment and clearly we don't want to see any impact to the Western Arctic herd. And as a result, that would be a key focus as we look at moving things forward. We have ways to go in terms of a permitting process and the EIS and our expectation is that as we look at the operations, all of those issues will be addressed. Pat, is there anything you want to add? Yeah, there's a couple of things. 1, our current practices, whenever a caribou herd, a caribou show up near camp, I think it's a mile, we shut everything down.
1:01:25 And I know at the Red Dog Mine, if there's any caribou on the Red Dog road, all vehicular traffic stops until the caribou have passed through. The other thing is we will also, we've been talking to some of the native groups, the Doyon and Nana about establishing a committee, an environmental committee while the road is in operation so that there's a venue for local peoples to express concerns, also to provide feedback to see if our precautions are working and to make changes to how we operate the road. So you know the number 1 concern about the road from the local population is how it impacts subsistence lifestyle, which is a core part of the culture for the people in the region.
1:02:27 And we have to be very, very careful and very, very respectful of that and not have any impact whatsoever on the caribou, the fish and in the other wildlife and also plant life in the area. I think I've covered everything there Tony but this is this is the number 1 concern and we take it very seriously. Great question, thanks so much. And oh, by the way, William is very well known in Alaska and he's got a fantastic book. If you wanna learn about the native peoples in Alaska land claim settlement act, I recommend William's book. I'm trying to remember the title now. It's 80 miles from home or I forget what it is now, but It's a great read. So there you are, William, a little endorsement of your book.
1:03:23 Here's another one of our shareholders. Quite a few of your shareholdings sits with hedge funds. What do you expect to be their exit strategy? Yeah, I think just a bit of history on where the shareholding comes from. So the trilogy was spun out of Nova Gold in 2012. And Rick and the management team were at Nova Gold and it got spun out and a new company was created. It was initially called Nova Copper. And the shareholdings in Trilogy effectively, or in Nova Copper, were transferred to the same shareholders of Nova Gold. So we've already seen a lot of change since 2012.
1:04:10 Some of those large institutions that are holding our shares, which someone might characterize as hedge funds, have actually been long-term holders from that time period. So for example, Electrum has effectively maintained their significant stakes since the spin-out occurred in 2012 And we've also seen Paulson being there for a long time, Bob Alpo's been there for a long time. And we've seen them be very supportive shareholders in terms of looking at the company as a whole. And when we last raised equity financing a couple years ago, they all participated in terms of those equity finances. So we've seen the strong shareholders. At the end of the day, the exit strategy is really their decision to focus on how they look at it. We don't see any imminent desire to, for that to occur in the near term, simply because we're only beginning to scratch the surface of the value opportunity here.
1:05:16 And we're at the early stages of this development. A lot of what we've talked about today has been about Arctic. We haven't really talked about Boronite. We haven't talked about the exploration potential in a lot of detail. That's where the real value here is. And it's a great story. And it's also a great, and we haven't talked about the metal. Copper is poised to do very, very well. We've had a nice little recovery back up to 260. But if you look longer term at the supply demand fundamentals for copper, And you look at the fact that we're in a safe jurisdiction and we've got a high grade project. There's a scarcity value associated with these type of projects in these jurisdictions. And I think our shareholders appreciate that scarcity value and the potential that exists in terms of further discoveries, but also being in a safe jurisdiction and having a high-grade copper deposit. So I think those are all of the factors that some of our investors are thinking about with respect to how they're managing their investment in Trilogy.
1:06:23 And we're getting close to the end of the questions. From an exploration viewpoint, do you have systematic geochemical and airborne geophysics coverage of the whole volcanic belt. And that's why I pulled this slide up here. And the question is absolutely. We did an airborne survey last year, VTEM survey. What that measures is conductivity. When you're looking for massive sulphides, you're getting rocks that conduct electricity. As you can see here, it lit up like a Christmas tree. We have very good geophysics and there's some good geochem. We were hoping to have some field teams to go in to follow up on some of these targets.
1:07:12 And if we don't do it this year, we'll do it next year. But like I said before, the nice thing with South 32 is now we have the resources to follow up in some of these areas. But it's a massive land package. It's 70 miles long. It's the size of a small country. But you can see, if I go to the next slide, here's the outline of the pit at Arctic and you can see all these other anomalies that we have yet to test yet. We will be following up on those. Here is Sunshine. We are drilling in this outline here, but to the northeast, the northwest, there's another anomaly that we haven't seen yet. We did some drilling at Sunshine last year and had some very, very exceptional holes, very comparable to what we see at Arctic.
1:08:03 So hopefully, as soon as we can get in this summer, we'll do some more drilling up in that area. 2 more questions we've got here. Let's see here. We're getting a couple more questions. What do you think the price of minerals will do as they develop ways to flatten items like gold to atoms, atom-sized microprocessors. I'm not sure what you mean by the last part, but I don't know, Tony, should we make a comment on what we think about metal prices going forward? Yeah, I think, you know, what we've done is we've used the metal prices that were in the feasibility study. We expect to use the metal prices that we used in the pre-feas so that there's no...
1:08:58 So it's easy to compare the pre-feas to the feasibility study. So the prices that we printed earlier are really the prices that we've used. And we've generally looked at consensus long-term prices in terms of the prices that we've used for the economic assessment. And that would be our expectation going forward. In terms of, as Pat said, with respect to the second part of the question, not sure what you're referring to, but the gold is actually going to be in a concentrate. And as I said, we call it a precious metals concentrate, but it's really a lead con. So there's 3 products that are gonna be produced, and it's gonna be a conventional mining, milling, processing method that we'll be using. So technology-wise, this is a proven technology that we'll be using.
1:09:48 This should be pretty straightforward in terms of how we're looking at things. So the goal will be in a LegCon, and then what will happen is those products will be shipped. Who knows where they're gonna go, but they can go to any number of refineries where they'll process the finished metals. And then the same gentleman is asking us if we hire locally. We do. I mean, I think the issue for us right now in terms of hiring is, we're going to have a truncated field season and we're obviously focused on the local communities where we're operating in terms of hiring as many people as we can. But with coronavirus, it's created a bit of a challenge in terms of how we do that safely. And that's one of the considerations in the near term. Hopefully when we return to a more normal situation, we'll be in a position where, and we will be in a position where we'll be looking to bring in as many local employees as possible from communities where we operate.
1:10:54 Let's see, I think I'm going to cut off the questions for now. We have 2 more. Do you use the tailings as called in plaster mining to build roads, sell to natives or use to build a road? No. Tailings will stay in the tailings pond. We won't be selling any Italians or waste rock or anything. And we won't be selling to anybody. So and then lastly, the question is, When will the feasibility study be completed? We're in the final stages of looking at some of the modeling points.
1:11:42 And once those are clear, there'll be a continued review process. We'll share a copy with SELF32, and then we'll be in a position to release the study and it will be a technical report under our reporting requirements in Canada 43 101 So we would hope that sometime within the next month or so, it could be a little longer than a month, but sometime in the next couple of months at the latest, we would have a study out. And it'll give a good snapshot view of how things have progressed with respect to ARCIC in terms of a more detailed focus on the engineering front. So yeah, it's very exciting.
1:12:28 And when we look at the catalysts being the road and the feasibility study and hopefully a summer season at Ambler. Those are the key points and they're all coming in the next couple of months. And then finally, I just saw 1 in the chat, about the, maybe we should make a comment about the cobalt. I'm gonna leave a cobalt to you. Why don't you go ahead? I know that's in the Boronite resource right now. Yeah. It's really just a question of, you know what, there's 77 million pounds of cobalt in that resource. Yeah, I mean, it's boronite that hosts the cobalt, not Arctic. I want to be clear about that.
1:13:16 We've done quite a bit of metallurgical work on that. About two thirds of the Cobalt is tied up in a mineral called Pyrite, or Fool's Gold. The Pyrite, when you recover, whereas the Copper is in Chalcopyrite and Boronite. We're recovering the Boronite and the Chalcopyrite and when we take it out of the ground, the Pyrite comes with it. We can separate the Pyrite, which carries the Cobalt. The good news is, one way or the other, when we mine the Copper, the Cobalt is coming out of the ground and we can separate the Cobalt into a pyrite concentrate. The next steps would be to figure out whether we process that pyrite concentrate or do we send it to third party.
1:14:08 Right now, the focus is on Arctic. We hopefully will do some work at Boronite this summer. We won't be doing any drilling. It's mostly just taking a step back, reviewing all the information, but we do expect to go back and drill Boronite next year and we'll continue on with the work with the Cobalt. We still love Boronite. It's still got a huge upside. It's still completely open. Great grades. It's just simply the results from Arctic were so outstanding, we couldn't ignore them and we had to move ahead with Arctic. So It's like picking between a portion of Lamborghini and the Lamborghini drives faster. So let's go to Lamborghini. Maybe that's a bit promotional, but I think it's a good analogy.
1:15:01 I think that's it for questions. Maybe wrap it up, Tony. Sure. So firstly, thank you very much for joining us today and apologize for a little technical glitches that we had at the beginning. I think that were definitely on my end, but got it all sorted out. And the points that I really wanna leave you with, it's been a great start to the year for Trilogy. We've been able to get the JV constituted with South 32. The next steps for putting that management team together. We hope to get the record of decision soon. Feasibility study is on its way. And then we'll look to a summer field season. Those are the key catalysts that we're looking at in the current environment. We're in a good financial position. There's $145 million sitting in the JV, $15 million at the Trilogy level. We've got a huge exploration upside and the Amber Mining District.
1:15:53 And that's gonna be the long-term focus of what we're trying to do in terms of adding value. And we think we're in a very strong position and being fortunate that we're able to operate in an extremely safe jurisdiction like Alaska. So once again, thanks for your time. I look forward to catching up soon. Thanks again. You