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28:38 This image is just showing what the previous drill pattern looked like at Lion. The first 2 holes, 30 and 31, just got us in there. Then the winter months, when we set back, and really we have lots of flexibility in the winter to test a lot of ideas. You can see here, while the grade and the intercepts we have are quite good, We still want to expand the strike length, expand the depth of this and really understand the geometry and what's really controlling where the mineralization is. The best way for us to do that is to continue to not only add layers of data, but also with the drill, you know, and really evaluate the geometry and what's controlling it.
29:25 And one of the things I understand we've done, Adam, is Steve and you guys felt that drilling some very long holes in dry ground or barren ground sort of parallel the structure, so that we could run a downhole EM on that this, this was all part of the strategy. These are fairly big holes. I think they're like a thousand meters. So not insignificant expense to us, of course, but knowing that there's no pay dirt in it, but it's really to develop the intel to advance the next stage of the program. Yeah, absolutely. So the second ring I mentioned is that in this main zone and these holes are designed to run parallel to the contact of the known ultra mafic unit and the hanging wall, you know, colloquially used, And then to run down a whole EM survey to light up in a nominal 500m radius to look for off-hole conductors.
30:27 And then again, you add that with the gravity, you add that with the existing data we have and the vast, we've done over, let's say 44,000m of drilling at NISC, obviously evidenced by the resource. Then it'll hone us into other areas to test. Again, at NISC Maine in the summer months, where we can set up the drill to really effectively target it is more challenging. So again, this is a way in this kind of period to provide additional targets that we can really go after later in the year and earlier into next year. And we've done it at Lion as well, right? This pilot program is going at NISC Maine now while we continue to do exploration style drilling at Lion. It's possible in the future that that technique could be employed, but it's mostly because of where we're at at the level of NIST main versus where we're at at line. Steve can expand on that as well. Okay, cool. Yeah, so this is, we call this platform EM drilling. This is something that happens in Sudbury.
31:34 It's something that's common in deeper systems. It's basically a cost effective way of exploring to depth. So nickel systems, in particular polymetallic systems, can be economic to very huge depths. So something like Nova here in Western Australia would be economic to 2 or 3 kilometers depth. So that high unit value encourages you to look towards where the geology is telling you to go. Something like NISQ, we really, it's not very cost effective to try and drill it through standard means. And so the lowest cost method is really to drill parallel to the contact itself. It requires you to know where the contact is, but that's the only risk that's associated.
32:19 Otherwise, it's the best way to light up the contact at depth. So it's quite a common technique, but usually only at depth. OK, fair enough. So, I mean, just wrapping up before we jump to questions from the audience and, you know, the big revelation from a business perspective, you know, the one I'm trying to communicate to the investors as I'm going around communicating the power nickel story, is the transformation from nickel sulfide to polymetallic is really incredible in terms of the value proposition for investors. You can see where, you know, the inverted triangle here, we're down at the bottom, you know, 150 million. I think probably these days it's maybe even less than way you're 130 or something just because of the summer doldrums or whatever the market sell off.
33:13 The good news is we're all cashed up and don't need to raise money here for a long, long time. So we're in great position, I think, to create value over this next 12 to 24 months. And it's really starting now, which is great. But you can see as these things get more understood that the value proposition is really amazing. You can go very quickly into the billions and the megabillion. So literally the world's most valuable deposit is the Norelsk deposit that Steve was talking about, and that is a polymetallic. And it's the only mine in the world that's had a trillion dollars worth of metal value in the ground. So, I mean, I remember when I was trying to, you know, talk to Steve about the project and I didn't really have an analogy.
34:03 I said, it's not like, you know, Voisy Bay because we've got the high-grade copper and the gold and stuff. And I said, it's not like a gold mine because of the nickel and the copper. He said, no, no, He said, I get what it's like. I said, so what's that? He said, well, it's like Norilsk. But he quickly said, I'm not saying you got the next Norilsk, but he said, if you were to find one, it would start out something like this. And so that's sort of what's exciting for us as explorers is that we feel like we don't know what we've got yet, but we're pretty excited with what we've found. And it certainly is, it's worthy of a lot more exploration and a lot more discovery. And I think we're asymmetrically set up, ready to develop a lot of value for our shareholders here with this approach.
34:52 And we're certainly looking forward to bringing that news to you over the coming weeks and months and years ahead. So that's sort of the wrap up this morning. Again, apologies for the little bit of a rough start. Ken would have been here and it would have been a lot slicker and we've been used to Ken's fantastic 3D skills and able to show us a lot of stuff on the 3D side of things, which would have been great. And maybe we'll, you know, probably, maybe, you know, before we start the exploration program in the fall, we'll do another one, because we'll have a bunch of data and we can bring it up to speed. But in any event, I'll go to the audience now for some questions and see where we're at on that side of things and go from there.
35:47 Okay. Kyle, did you have some questions from the audience? It might be easier if you hit stop screen share there, Terry. It just might be a little easier for you. I'm happy to moderate questions. It's really your decision. Are they in the chat box? Is that where they are? Yeah, we have quite a few questions here. I'll kick it off for you with Laura's question. Terry, you'll be at the Precious Meadows conference at Beaver Creek in September. Will it be just you or will there be others from the team joining you? It will be just myself and Duncan Roy. The team's busy working. We don't have a big team, so we have to sort of compartmentalize.
36:36 As needed, what we've done with the investors is, you know, bring in, if they want to have a technical review, we're happy to do that. We've done several high level technical reviews with the 4 investors that came in the last round all did that. And we're able to accommodate that. But in terms of presenting the case and storytelling, Duncan and I can do that while the guys get to their really important stuff of finding heaps more metal. That ties nicely into Jimmy's question. He's just wondering if you could touch on the hit rate as well as drilling and all in sustaining costs. Yeah, I can talk about the historic stuff. We were at 15 or 16 of the holes hit in the last round, probably 8 to 10 of those were material hits and 6 were exceptional hits.
37:31 You know, are we gonna be able to maintain that ratio going forward? Highly unlikely, because we're obviously ramping up the amount of holes we're doing. But it's safe to say, the public commentary, we talked about this beforehand with the team, is that what can we say, what we can't say. What we've said publicly is that we're very happy with, encouraged by the drilling progress at NISQ and at Lion Zone and maintain our smiles. So obviously, we're getting the assays in and they'll come out probably in September. We'll have some assays from the summer program and we expect that investors will be pleased with the progress we're making. The all-in cost is also a bit of a moving target.
38:18 I would say it's, you know, all in including overheads and everything is around $300 a meter. You know, that's, you know, it doesn't cost us $300 a meter to drill, of course, it's more like 200. But if you add in everything, it's probably closer to 300. Of course, it all varies upon how much meters you drill and stuff like that, but generally speaking, that's a pretty good rule of thumb. Certainly, And Jimmy just had a follow-up question. If you could discuss the pros and cons of contract drilling in your jurisdiction. Yeah, you know, Adam probably would be better able to answer that. I mean, on that side of the thing, we pretty much, we look to Ken and Adam to guide us because I'm just the storyteller and the money raiser.
39:15 I very much leave the science activity to the pros. Adam, why don't you comment on that? No issues with the drill contractors. We put out to tender. Quebec has a rich history of good drill companies, drill contractors. We're very satisfied with the group we're using, RJLL out of Hawaii. There's plenty of drill companies in Quebec and half a dozen are extremely good and we're very happy with the contractors and there have been no issues. Thank you. I'm just going to go down in which the questions were submitted because we are getting a lot of them, which is excellent Laura has a question here. When can we expect news on the drill program currently in progress in form of news releases?
40:15 Yeah, so we'll have we've got the last release from the winter program, we expect we'll get out next week, and then we'd expect to get assays out in September on the summer program. Starting, yeah. Thank you. It'll just keep on running, It takes about 12 weeks or so. Steve was wondering, I think an original objective for 2024 was to find a strategic partner for NISQ. With the discovery of Lion, is this still an objective? The Lion's Zone discovery changed things. You know, at some point, obviously there'll be, you know, industry investment into this company for sure. You know, we're obviously talking to a lot of industry folks right now.
41:02 It's certainly on everyone's radar. Financially, we don't need them at the moment. When we were at the nickel sulfide, it seemed on the nickel sulfide side of things, had we just been that, it would have been a thing to do. But now with, you know, moving to a polymetallic scenario, which much higher value, a bit of a different animal. So we need to understand that a bit better before we move down that path. Orin's question is rather similar. It's about the end game. You obviously just financed and are cashed up and your team are explorers. What is the end game? Do you expect to sell to a bigger mining company in the future? At what point would that be?
41:49 I mean, 99% of the time, that's the way it goes in junior mining, that you sell these things to a bigger developer, and that's highly likely. However, we're a little different in that we have been working with CVMR on a feasibility study for really on NISQ main and on getting into the refinery business of making nickel powders. So that creates a bit of a different animal for us. We could never do that because we obviously don't have the technical know-how or expertise or even team to build it. But we could partner with somebody like CV Mara and with other partners that they could bring to the table or we could bring to the table on that side of things. So the refinery business is highly attractive to us. We'll explore that. I would think you know the you know the polymetallic mine development would be a different animal and most likely that would be you know would be something we'd be looking to you know probably sell is my guess.
42:51 However you know we'll just see as it develops. But we're always looking at what's the best risk return for our shareholders. Fundamentally, we're all shareholders, big shareholders, and we're really just gonna be acting in their interests and whatever we think is the best value proposition, risk versus return, and that'll be what drives it. Thank you. Christopher, I would like you, Terry, to speak on 3 points here. Consolidated ownership in brackets 20%, further ground stake in acquisition of other prospects, and potential name change. You know, We'll see. I mean, obviously, Critical Elements has been a great partner and they have the 20% piece at some point.
43:45 That might be something that we could work with them on a pathway forward. There's not any additional ground to be had up there. It's all staked. It's possible that some ground will be acquired. We'll see how that goes. Name change prospects. It's one of those things that we've looked at. Nickel is a four-letter word to a lot of people these days. It reminds me a bit of uranium in January 2020. You couldn't get anyone to look at you if you're in uranium in January, 2020. And by December, 2020, everyone wanted to be in uranium. So I suspect Nickel will have that same moment. So we continue to be open to the concept of the name change, but we haven't been able to find anything really, that really hit the spot and we'll see.
44:42 So for now, We think we've accomplished a lot as Power Nickel and it's got a bit of a brand out there and it's not the worst and the nickel thing Will come and go I think you know, we'll see how it evolves Certainly Peter is wondering if you're still planning to spin off one of your projects and issue a dividend? Yes, so we're very close to greenlighting that. We're hoping to get that done and vote in our offering circle in the month of August. And it would be approved in, I think, late September, early October. So the plan is to spin off Golden Ivan, which is our project in BC, copper gold exploration, really great project and our projects in Chile.
45:32 So it's not that we don't like these projects, we like them a lot, but they are exploration stage, different animal. And the other reason we're doing it is that we have been beset by naked short sellers in our company, pretty much across the space. I think it's my positions on this is pretty well known with Safe Canadian Mining and others. It's a horrible thing, our regulators have that happened to us. But one of the ways we possibly might be able to turn the tables on these evil doers is to spin out a private company. And basically that would make it virtually impossible for them to replicate these shares, which that should force them to buy in. We'll see.
46:17 You know, it makes sense for us to do it because of the very different natures of the business and the different stages of the business. We want people to be focused on Power Nickel really for the NISQ project and for what we're developing there. And these other pieces, we'd like to flow them through and create value for our shareholders. We think this is the best way to do it. So that's happening, it's happening soon. Thank you. And Dr. Beresford, we actually have a question for you from Rock. And just a reminder, you're on mute here, but I know you talked about your excitement during the presentation but here's another opportunity to do some hand waving but how excited are you about the the potential finding a large large polymetallic resource at NISQ? Yeah so this these sort of systems don't come along very often. So I think you can tell that the first thing I did was pretty much get on a plane and go to Quebec and meet Adam, work with these guys and Ken and get to know these guys.
47:18 So yeah, I mean, I dropped what I was doing. So that, I think that answers that question. Excellent. Sorry, Terry, were you gonna say something? Yeah, I mean, I just made the next question stand so Steve's up. They're asking about the age of the hosting intrusion, the cenovolcanic or late tectonic. So it's- Yeah, I'm starting to recognize some names in the chat here. So some technical guys asking technical questions. So this is a well-known age intrusion, NISQ, it's intruded into a metasedimentary, a sedimentary basin, so it's late tectonic. Yeah, okay, cool. And you can see the following question is also directed towards. Yeah, so that's another loaded question. So one of the things that's really important to understand is you do get polymetallic low-grade systems that are dominated by PGEs. And so a great example of that is the Platte Reef in the Bushfield and the Stillwater is obviously very prospective as well. But specifically here I'm talking about high-grade.
48:25 So if we put that in a Bushfield context, I'm not talking about the Platte Reef, I'm talking about something like Enkomati, except something that's a little bit more copper and PG rich. So the reason why I make that distinction, and it's open to debate, obviously, is entirely economics, the economics of high-grade systems versus low-grade systems. So Terry's just talked about nickel's a four-letter word at the moment. I really do think the world's making a dreadful mistake at the moment. I'm about as biased as a human being could get, but I do think the economics of nickel, high-grade nickel sulfides is still outstanding. I think the economics of low-grade sulfides is what's going through trouble. And we need to understand the fundamental difference between them. So I don't think nickel should be a four-letter word at the moment. I think the world's got that completely wrong. They're missing, you know, the monies to be made basically.
49:22 I agree 100% with Steve on that. One of the slides we have in our presentation, we talk about North American nickel, high grade nickel sulfide. And it's a completely different animal from Indonesian nickel or African nickel. And you can make money right now with the current prices for sure. And people have always been looking for high-grade nickel sulfide for ages, from like millennia. Whereas if people talk about lithium, I'd say, well, lithium is really more of an operation story. It's a production story. If you're in production, you can make money and there's probably a pathway to a really good economic situation. But the world has never really explored for lithium and now they're finding it in lots of places. So it's a challenge now for the lithium guys.
50:09 But for nickel, they've been looking for nickel forever and it's bloody hard to find, as Steve would tell you, and especially the high grade. And the nature of things is that the high grade nickel deposits will make money this time and any other time, they just generally make money. Absolutely. Brandon has a question about the risk that a bulk of additional deposits may lie outside the claim boundaries. Can you discuss what's within your boundaries and what potentially may not be? So certainly what we're looking at right now as well within our boundaries and it seems to be if anything, it's growing to the north and east where we still have a lot of room to grow. So could it go off our boundaries? Yeah, it could.
50:55 Generally speaking, that's hydro-Quebec land and stuff. So it's nobody's land, really. So obviously we just have to sort of evolve with the deposit, see how it goes, follow the rocks, as it were. But there's not much we can do that we haven't already done to expand the boundaries. I'm not sure how to phrase this. The regional metamorphic grade, and the shear zone near the ore bodies. So regional metamorphic grade is middle to upper amphibolite facies. So all the rocks are strongly recrystallized and the metasediments are high-grade gneissos.
51:40 And we're immediately adjacent to a regional scale shear zone. So the ore body itself is strongly remobilised. So those who are technical, and I can see there's a few names on the call who are, the analogy would be something like Slevy-Pickaway or Thompson in terms of remobilisation. So what does that mean practically? It means it's going to have a large strike extent. One of the questions that we probably didn't address is there is a distinct possibility that NISQ and Lion are connected in 3 dimensions. That would obviously be a great upside. And that's one of the things we're trying to do at NISC, is really get underneath NISC and just work out whether it's got continuity. The nature of these ore bodies, if you have a look at a plan for some of them, is at this metamorphic grade, is they can have enormous strike lengths, huge multiple kilometers in strike length.
52:35 So that's one of the aims of the NISQ program. Are you able to share if there's any further pods or pipes found with the Ant technology? So one of the comments I can address, that's one of the comments that we probably could mention is that the reason why we're doing all these other techniques, the gravity, et cetera, is to maximize the benefit of the ambient noise tomography. So we haven't forgotten about the ant survey. It's really a case that we need these other data sets to integrate in. And the aim is by winter that we'll be revisiting this. Terry, can you touch on this fall's drill rigs? How many will be up? Yeah, so basically we've got 2 active right now and really, we're geared up to bring 3 and 4 on, but probably that's gonna be post-moose break. The whole idea is, while we've got, obviously, lots of money in the tank to ramp up the exploration program, the idea is to always spend it wisely.
53:42 And to do that, we need to do the groundwork that Steve and Adam and Ken, the team are doing right now, the ground EM, the downhole EM, the gravity, the reinterpretation of the Ant Survey with the new data, all the geochem work that we're doing and all the new drill holes that we've purposely done to better understand the architecture of the deposit. All that stuff gets compiled into these great mines and they'll come up with a bunch more targets. And then we'll identify how many rigs we need to execute on them and then deploy them. So we're not limited. We've certainly got an ability to scale up and ramp it up with the rigs. And we'll do so as quickly as it's pragmatic and fundamental to do so.
54:34 You know, we want, you know, always when you're, it doesn't really matter in any business, I guess, when you have capital, you gotta make your capital create, you know, more wealth for your shareholders, because that's what we're in the business for is we're probably kind of trying to create wealth for our shareholders. So to create value, you have to add value. So we're gonna add value through the drill bit and by using the drill bit appropriately. And sometimes you gotta walk before you run. So we're going at a pretty good clip now with 2 rigs, and we'll run with 4 or 14 once it's appropriate to do so. But let's get the data, you know, let's do it right. Excellent. Well said. Adrian's welcome, Steve, on board here, And he's just wondering if you could touch on if you're on other mining company boards and how much work and hours will be committed to power nickel?
55:28 So the answer is yes, I am an active explorer. With both private and public companies, I don't know what the percentage of working life is. I've just joined the board or about to join the board of Power Nickel. So that's a changing feast. Terry probably knows more than I do. I mean, the good thing is that the neat part about Steve and it was just one of those happy circumstances in life as he got over, I didn't realize he actually had been trained in Western mining. And they have a very specific Western mining for the Canadians, as they call it, who maybe eventually got acquired by BHP. But it was like the Inca of the day in Australia, right? Like a very traditional powerhouse mining company and trained a lot of the great next generation Australian explorers, including Dr. Beresford.
56:27 And it also, as it turned out, GeoVector, who has been our chief consultant, executed all of our drilling programs, and not just on the rig, but also the brain work behind setting up and where to target, is led by an illustrious figure in Canada, Joe Campbell. And Joe also was a Western mining guy. So as it turns out, Western mining has a particular approach to data collection and exploration, et cetera, that was in place at our project, not known by me because that's not my thing. But when Steve came over, of course, he recognized it right away. As it turns out, he and Joe were working at Western Mining at the same time, possibly even came across each other. I don't know if you guys ever got to the bottom of that, Steve, but quite funny that it should happen that way. But there's an approach to style of how to do business proven, sort of process oriented, great exploration techniques and that's what we're following.
57:26 We've got the capital to do it right, why would we do it wrong? My apologies, gentlemen. I should have asked this before going live. Do we have a hard stop? We are on the hour here, but we do have 3, 4 more questions in the chat. We could go for another 5 or 10 minutes, but then we should probably walk this guy to get deadlines. Patty is wondering what is the perceived value for power and nickel shareholders of the spinoff of non-NISK assets like a private illiquid company? Yeah, so just back in the day, these assets were trading probably at their peak, maybe 25, $30 million market cap. Today, valuation might be 5 to $10 million, just broad brush, you know, cause expiration assets have, you know, welcome to Canada. It's just like crap valuations. So that would be the range.
58:18 We've done some work. We had the ambient noise tomography down there in Chile and it identified some pretty cool targets for us. So we're quite excited about that. So we're pretty pumped about it. So yeah, the valuation would be in that range. And then it is private. It won't be private for forever. It'd probably be private for a few months just to see if this can play a role in impacting the shorts, but then eventually we'll take it public and people will be able to watch it like any other public company. Will you be providing a go-forward drilling plan with details of the drilling for the fall program via a news release?
59:04 Yeah, I mean, basically we'll be putting out, once we, we'll add to the update, the expiration update, this recording just to give people some sort of visual to listen to as well and some audio. And then we'll give them a bit of an update as to what the summer program is. And then later in the fall, when we have the chance to collect the data, process the data and have an outlook for the fall winter program, we'll put another update and we'll have another call. Were the ant one through 4 holes at NISC Main outlined in the January presentation drilled and if so the results?
59:53 The we've drilled we drilled 1 hole in each of the formations and and we I don't think we've reported on those yet, so I can't comment on those. As I recall, there wasn't any major sulfide intersections. I think there were some sniffs. And again, when you're drilling in these completely new areas, the initial, it often takes a few holes to strike the thing because you can just be off by being above it or below it or whatever. So we still have high hopes for these areas. And in fact, one of the reasons why we're doing the rigs that are on there now, doing the peril to the structure holes, is to run the EM and give us a bit more fine tuning on that.
1:00:45 So we'll definitely be planning to get back in there and gear up on following up on the ant expiration data Last question we'll take for today Terry recently hinted that you are looking at marketing nickel powder before actually mining Can you touch more on that? Yeah, we just came back from Korea with CVMR, met with some of the very key players for the third or fourth time, of the Korean battery metal complex. And they're quite keen to get IRA compliant nickel powder for 2027 and onward in North America. It's very tough to do that right now with the current setup of things. Obviously, NISQ won't be ready.
1:01:36 NISQ still has lots of exploration to do and permitting and everything. So, you know, we would be best case, I think 29, you know, so it's not that time horizon, but there's a possibility that we could do something with CVMR in a refinery in Texas and produce for 2027. So we'll have more details on that as the Q3 progresses. First thing that we'll do is we'll get the feasibility study out on the refinery, which I think should be quite exciting. We expect to have that after Labor Day. And then we'll get that out and then we'll talk about the plans at that point. Excellent. Gentlemen, thank you so much for taking the time out of your day and for everyone that attended and asked questions, clearly there was a lot of them. If you did come in a little late, this was being recorded so it will be on YouTube within the next couple of hours. So just check our YouTube channel if you came in a little late. I'll pass it back to you Terry for any closing remarks Yeah, no, I think that's that was great Kyle It was it was great to welcome Steve for the first time live live live with the banner on his head So and Thanks Adam for being on the show and hopefully Ken's ribs mend really quickly and when we're back in October we can bring his 3D skills to the table. Thanks everyone for attending and look forward to having a very exciting fall winter program with Power Nickel.
1:03:03 Take care and have a great day. Cheers.