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23:06 to your investors. But it also attracts a different type of investor in the industry who are looking for, as Duncan said, the industry wants to put mines in production, that's how they make money. Power Nickel makes money by finding deposits, other people make money by ultimately putting them into play. And the interesting part about the whole supply chain dynamics now is that for the first time in history, small companies like Power Nickel are going to have an opportunity to really go the rest of the way. So it'll be quite interesting, I think. So we'll see how it all goes. It makes Power Nickel really stand out. I mean, it's fairly well known in the industry that, you know, mining in general is fairly conservative and guys are using techniques that they've used for decades to do stuff. So where's the novelty aside from imagination?
24:04 Well, Howard Nichols showing innovation here with this technology and approach and it will make a difference and it makes us stand out. As you said before, like Talon had a nice step out discovery that's truly applicable to the success of utilizing fleet. So, you know, I expect to see us do the same thing and that's going to be neat. And so we'll get the attention of people in the industry for sure. And as you said, investors will look at this and say, geez, these guys are different, you know? And that makes people wanna go and be an owner. Yeah, I was on a podcast the other day with Dennis LaViette and we were talking about other things. One of the things we were talking about was one of his pet peeves was mining companies that get money and don't spend it on what they said they were going to do on their exploration program saying, well, it's a bad market, We should keep our money and wait for a better market.
25:08 Well, who knows when we'll get a better market in mining? It could be tomorrow. It could be in 3 years. But ultimately, If you find a really good ore body, you're going to get paid. It doesn't matter what mining market is. And I believe, and the reason why this team is coming together, is that we all collectively believe we've found a really good ore body. So we're going to get paid. I mean, we think that pay is going to start to happen soon with all the news that we've got coming, the things we're doing, but you know we're convinced it's going to happen and we're doing the right things to make that happen by, you know, doing the, you know, I remember talking to Ken and the GeoVector team about the ambient noise And they were, you know, because I think in a lot of cases, it's either or. You know, you spend some money on this, but you don't spend money on some other technology. And I'm like, I'm a big technology guy.
26:01 The last thing I want to do is drill honestly You know the first thing I want to do is get really smart guys like Ken to sort of you know Figure things out because I have no idea. I'm not a geologist I would first bloody thing about fighting a rock, but you get these really bright geologists, geophysicists who are, you know, I joke to people, I say, yeah, they're scientists, but they're artists. This is like there's certain feel these guys have about the rocks that it's just not something you can just, you know, pick out of a textbook. They're like a little bit savantish, you know, why they like some things and not other things. And it's only from decades of hard work and experience that they probably can't even tell you 100% themselves why they see it a certain way. But I know when we were talking with Ken about ambient noise, he was like, yeah, it's pretty cool. But he said, you can't disrespect downhole EM, or airborne EM, or gravity, or IP. These are all really valuable tools. And The fact that some of them are old doesn't make them bad.
27:04 And I said, guys, this is not an either or. Like we should use whatever tools we can to de-risk this thing as much as possible because that's the least expensive stuff we can do. Drilling's the most, right Ken? Oh, absolutely, absolutely. At first, to tell you the truth, the technology I was a little bit reluctant just because I have I had not heard about that before and then all of a sudden after a few readings in quantum mechanics, no, not really. I didn't go that far. But no, it's complicated stuff, but it's been demonstrated that it works. So, you know, it reminded me somewhat at the very early start of my career, Mr. Rob McEwen, who founded GoldCorp, he had the brilliant idea to install a VR lab facility at the mine site. Well, at that time, only in Sudbury you could see stuff with VR glasses and things like that.
28:07 Well, we installed that on site. At first, what is the utility or the usefulness of doing that? Well, it didn't take long that because we had that new technology available to us, that we made good use of it. So that old story with the ant thing, applying that to our deposit and things like that, kind of reminded me this, in the sense that, you know, there's nothing wrong at trying something new. And if it works, then it works. And if it doesn't work for the purpose that we initially thought it would be helpful with, perhaps it will be helpful for something else that we're not even aware of, and that could lead to something brand new as well.
28:56 So I'm kind of that type of person who thinks outside the box all the time. And Terry, the way you look at that, you're giving us and me the opportunity at trying stuff out like that. So It's really the way I think to succeed in here. Yeah, you know, it's a tough business, mining business, and these days even more tough, but I think the technology is there, and again, Mother Earth, thank God, has given us a really great ore body to work with you know thank you Mother Earth we appreciate that and you know and of course you know she'll have some curveballs for us as she always does but I feel like we've got a really good technical approach and I think it's up to Duncan and I to make sure that we get valuation appropriately in the market and that we keep our coffers, you know, in a healthy state so that we can continue to advance this project, you know, forward and hopefully show the world it's going to become Canada's next carbon neutral nickel mine. In fact, the first one, the first one in the world. So exciting stuff.
30:22 So I don't know, Max, if you've got any questions from the audience now, probably be a great time to get to them. Absolutely. We've got a couple of questions here. I believe one of them was already answered. But PJ Harris here is asking, what will be your key strategies and implementations you'll be making in your new role? Will it be status quo or will you be trying something new? I guess I'll ask that broadly to both Ken and Duncan. Please go ahead, Duncan. Well, tough question to sort of answer. I think it's more on how you do mining. But bottom line for me was working with Terry and getting out to institutional players, family offices, retail guys who are truly qualified and interested in in the company. So a lot of guys will do big broadcasts out to a ton of people that really have no interest. And it's a complete waste of time, energy, money.
31:38 It just has no value. So in my world, what I think works is you go to very specific individuals and explain the story. So McNamara's first law, understand the big picture, parts make sense. So you explain the big picture, And then as you go through, here's the development, here's an action happening, they'll understand, because they understand the business plan, the big idea. And that creates buyers at the end of the day into the company. And they'll not get thrown off the road when there's little hiccups or glitches out there that are immaterial, but some people make a big deal out of them. So, like it's fun, Terry and I have a mutual friend who is a bit of a nervous nelly on stuff. The stock was down 2 cents and he craps his pants, right? And it's like, I tell him the same thing every single time.
32:43 The only factor to consider here is time. It's going to take a little bit of time to get stuff done, but we're looking at what we think is an inevitable success story and off we go from there. So those are sort of my thoughts on that. So just a different approach going after the right people. It just makes a huge difference. And Ken, before you answer on your part, Duncan, just a quick follow up question I see here on that. Do you expect to grow both retail and institutional investors, or do you have a primary focus on institutionals? Well, both. You know, to make things work, it's wonderful that they have management having a significant stake, which is the case.
33:30 You want a number of institutions on board. In a sense, they're good housekeeping seal of approval, which is positive for other investors. You know, the resources of a group like Fidelity, for instance, is massive. So if a company like that has said, hey, we like this story, you know they've done their research. The average retail broker, or even the better ones, they don't necessarily have all those resources. So you do want that core. And generally, they're fairly stable investors. You know, they're looking for a pretty significant runs. So that's key. But to get the stock going on a day by day basis, it's very helpful to have a solid retail base.
34:22 And you have to have that to make things go. And the more, there's sort of a critical mass of retail guys that can come in. And you need those guys in the marketplace. So they're all important. They all have different approaches. They all have different timelines. But put together well, you end up with a stock with a solid investor base, it develops momentum, and you see appreciation for the success of the company as they bring results out. Awesome. And Ken, I'd like to tie 2 questions together here for you. So the first question is obviously about the key strategies, implementations that you'll be making in your role.
35:12 And then also, what are your short and long term goals for Power to Go right now? That kind of goes together, those 2 questions. I guess for now, as I'm brand new as of this week, officially in that role, not that I know nothing about the project. I've been following that pretty much every day since a couple of years, but I need to digest a few things first. And I think what's gonna happen in the near future, this week and next week, is GeoVector and me being in touch together, making sure that we're all on the same page on what's happened in the past few months, what's coming up next. We already have a pretty well-defined drilling program coming up for the fall.
36:10 So, in the meantime, we could say for the next few months, that's status quo or something like that, in the sense that we already had planned what's coming up in those next few months but everything will do in terms of drilling well for the most part will be focused on the resource work that we want to do. And it's essentially my primary focus here is to put everything together that needs to be put together to support that upcoming mineral resource estimate that is due for fall. So after that, longer term strategy will be probably twofolds, depending on the results we get from that MRE will definitely stay in proximity of that deposit, trying to enlarge it and to expand on what we know we have.
37:08 And in the meantime, obviously, as we will be exploring the surroundings, especially with the ant tomography results coming back at one point, we will then initiate probably a more regional approach there. But all of this remains to be defined, I would say, and The 1 thing that I want to make sure of is the people that we work with, that are doing an excellent job with GeoVector, the drilling companies and things like that. I just want to make sure that good work keeps on going and pretty much being supportive of that work rather than drastically change the way this is my way or the highway. No, no, no, it's not gonna be like that. We already have a really good system in place the car is moving fast and we'll keep that momentum.
38:15 How long will this August drilling campaign last? Will the results be added to the NI43-101 as they come in? And how confident do you feel in the new drilling to hit something, anything on this drill? What's your goal and tonnage for it? So there's a number of questions in there so maybe let's break it down one by one here. So how long will it last? We'll be drilling, you know, certainly through to Christmas is our view and we think beyond but I mean that's the current program is, you know, I think we committed to, you know, 5,000 meters with the contractor but we've got a degree that we can extend to Christmas and that's the plan is basically like that. We bring a second rig in late September to be able to drill the, what we call the wildcat, the bonanza hole that we have, the 8 meters of the, or the remotes of the one-ounce PGNs that was out there and it's a bit of a difficult spot to get to in the summer because it's a bit marshy.
39:24 And so we'll be drilling that in late September with basically that a helicopter is going to drop a rig off to a platform we'll have made there and then we'll drill a few holes there and then by then it'll have frozen up and we can take it out conventionally. So That's the drilling programs. And again, as Ken said, we'll have to react to the real-time return of the rock and how it's going, and we'll Make adjustments on the fly. The good news is that we have permitted a lot of drilling pads up there so we have a lot of flexibility on You know where we drill and you know, the grid grids been well laid out so we can we can get to whatever targets we can identify through our technology approach as to should we be drilling deeper underneath the core deposit, maybe there's something at 500 or 600 meters that we haven't tested before, or do we, you know, just, you know, you know, half a kilometer to the west, there's a, you know, the ENT and the, and the downhole EM and the airborne EM and the gravity IP all come together in concentric circles and say, hey, that looks like a great target, let's drill it. I think we've got the flexibility to adapt to new Intel as it's coming in, and that's why we have the team to be able
40:54 to process that. And a follow up on that from the same question here, Will the results be added to the NI 43-101 as they come in? Well, we'll try to add as much of the new results we can get. Obviously, that will be up to the QP who's going to do that work. We'll have to select 1 1st and then decide with that new person what is the deadline, where we'll be cutting off the database. What I mean by this is, at one point we'll need to say okay this it stops here we'll continue to receive results but all of those results need to be like stopped in time so to speak so a QP can stamp proof it and validate everything and things like that So we'll see how it goes in the next few weeks, I guess, depending who is that QP person, their availability, et cetera, et cetera, will adapt then, but definitely, the one thing we need to remember here is currently whatever money we spend on the ground at NISC is to enlarge that resource that we know we already have.
42:17 So there was an historical resource done. The mineralization has been demonstrated to be there. The grade is fairly consistent. We've identified ore chutes within the main pod that we are looking at in the tabular view so to speak and Terry has a nice image that he brings up all the time he's talking about a river of nickel well it's not necessarily a real river of nickel, but the analogy is quite fascinating in the sense that what we believe we have in here is either a sill of ultramafic rocks or perhaps a flow. It remains to be defined.
43:02 But in either case, the nickel and minerals that are associated with that nickel are so heavy that they constantly and naturally sink by gravity at the bottom of either a sill or a flow layer in those lavas. So, with that, it makes the whole system there everywhere at the same time. And the river analogy is where you would have little channels forming at the bottom of such a flow, nickel will tend to accumulate into those channels. So it's really, it can create little pods, But it could create a vast sea of nickel as well. And and right now I think we're Drilling the river.
43:58 I'm looking for the lake You know, so So I I really love that analogy, but we're downstream still. We got to move upstream and find that leak. Awesome, great answer. What we've given guidance-wise, Max, is we've said, to the most part, we've done our drilling up to the end of April, all those assays are in. And so right now we're expecting to get the metallurgical work back sort of first week in September or so and then the QP would take the existing drilling information you know all of our all of our work and and the metallurgical that and go with that you know We're obviously going to be drilling more, and maybe we can add a little bit, but probably for the most part it's what we've already drilled. We'll get that out as quick as we can after the metallurgical studies have been received and in early Q4.
45:09 These things are always at a moment in time you know ultimately you know we're gonna you know after spending another you know drilling another you know 10 or 15,000 meters over the next you know 6 months you know that will again require an update you know so it's an ongoing process as Ken said as we're trying to you know move from having a river nickel to having that river run into hopefully Lake Superior. Awesome, awesome and last question from that bundle of questions what's your goal in tonnage for the choking gate? That's a tough question I've been QP before and I will kind of be hesitant to answer on that one. I'll just talk in terms of ratios, I guess. We have a certain volume that remains to be you know define exactly with a ni 43 101 but based on the historical results that we have We have a really good idea on kind of what tonnage was there historically And the thing is to me we need to at least double this up What we had we need to add to the bottom to the side make it a Significant really nice attractive.
46:36 It's already is, but more attractive little pot there. So in terms of tonnage grade numbers, I'd say, well, look at the historical numbers and hopefully a lot more than that. I'm very hesitant to speak through that. Fair enough, we're not going to hold anyone to that. That's ultimately what the 43-101 will be out. But needless to say, we'll see shortly that industry believes we're on to something and they're going to be investing, we think, significant dollars on that basis.
47:22 And that will be comforting to our shareholders to know that that's the case. And the neat thing about one of the things we've done differently at Power Nickel is we actually post all of our drill callers and assays and we post our model and people can actually, you know, there's a lot of, sometimes there's a lot of really sharp people that are, you know, ex-analysts or ex, you know, geologists that know how to, you know, manipulate leapfrog and these things and they can play around with it and identify what they think is the Model and what they're gonna find, you know, we we we We certainly think we're gonna get this thing to be commercial. I would say that, you know, minimum commercial viability is 50,000 contained tons.
48:09 And I think you really need 100,000 to be sort of perceived to be, again, we're gonna pause it. I think we're gonna get there real soon. If we don't get there now, we're going to get there very quickly. And then there's a lot more to be had beyond that. And I think one of the things that always gave me comfort in looking at this, when I first acquired it, they had only drilled about, I think, 13 or 14,000 meters, and they proved up 3 million 0.1. So now we're, I think, drilled a total of over 15,000 meters in sand, and I think we've made more success drilling than historical guys have so we feel bullish about that and we feel that you know the you know every nickel sulfide discovery that I'm aware of in the history of the world has always been multiple pod. It's never just been one single giant pit. You know, that's not how these nickel sulfide deposits come out.
49:10 So there are always multiple pods. So, you know, we've got NIST main, which is basically 1 sort of, you know, you know, sort of collection, 1 pod, you know, are there other pods to be out there? And if there are 3 or 4 pods here, what are the odds that NIST Maine is the best one? Well, 3 or 4 to 1. So I think I know from talking to some of the leading industry geologists, that hole up west, or east, that Bonanza hole, was really a very exciting thing for a lot of reasons. Obviously, it's exciting because it's not every day you get almost 8 meters of 1-ounce PGMs. I mean, that could make us a PGM play if we weren't already a great nickel play. But it's so unusual for that to happen.
50:06 And it means maybe something very big happened in this area. And there might be a really, you know, giant, you know, massive, you know, metal movement here. And then we're just on the verge of uncovering it. So super exciting times and thankfully now we got a couple more, you know, people on the boat rowing with Terry. We're all on there. Yeah, you know, work in the oars hard. And yeah, we're looking forward to having a great drilling season and to reporting the news as we get it and continue to develop the story of Power Nickel as a great investment opportunity and hopefully soon the world's first carbon-neutral nickel mine.
50:52 Awesome, and what are the chances to see a deal or partnership with a large mining company that can support the company activity and move the program much faster? I've said, you know publicly that I think the next investment that we make or that gets made in Power Nickel will be a strategic investment so so we'll keep with that comment. Okay and then there's a little bit of a follow-up. If yes, are you looking for a 50-50 partnership or sell the company a right? So this would not be like that. It's difficult to do that. I mean, we don't even know what we have ourselves. We certainly, it's not a good time to trade that. You know, We're just getting the team together. There's a lot of work to be done here to create a lot of value. We didn't get in this to double our money here.
51:39 We don't make 10 times our money. This is, again, just me. I'd be super depressed. I think it could be a lot better. But I've not, you know, done what I've done the last couple of years. This is not the time to sell. So the next investment will be under 10% equity position. It will advance us forward in a big way and help us a lot. But we will maintain our free agency status. And we'll still be, and that's key to max valuation for our shareholders and how we might approach this thing. Because you know when when I initially got into this business I was like you know thinking of course we'll prove up your body and then we'll auction it out to the highest bidder and that's that. And that could still happen.
52:30 But you know what's interesting in nickel, especially with the funding opportunities that are being provided by the government, federally in Canada and provincially in Quebec, you know, to support mine development, you know, up to 55% of a mine now could be advanced by tax credits from the feds and provincial government. That's unbelievable. So, if you think of a $400 million high-end nickel mine that's going to produce powders and wires and anodes, you know, that's, you know, essentially half of that's covered. So now, you know, so what happens is, I think small miners like, you know, Power Nickel, who ordinarily wouldn't be invited to the refinery table of getting in that business, you know, possibly through partnership could do that in a way where we wouldn't have to bring the skill set, our partner would bring that skill set. So I think that being able to think that it's possible that we could take this to completion that we end up with a with a you know a very significant operating interest in a in a in a producing mine that's been fully financed that could be exciting for our shareholders so that that's that's you know that's what we think could possibly be there awesome and we got some agreement agreement here in the chat about wanting a 10X to 50X. I'm not a quick trade.
53:53 I like that comment. That was a good one. And Terry, what is the total property acreage on NISQ? Has drilling been core oriented? And the River of Nickel has natural and well added complexity. Are there many evidences of folding? Yeah well, sounds like a Ken question. Oh well in terms of the the size of the property well well I kind of feel strange a bit. I can't recall. It's what? 45 square kilometers. There you go. Thanks, Terry. So within that 45 square kilometer, kilometer square, the geology is frankly relatively simple at larger scale. So it's a layered sequence of different types of rocks from mafic to ultramafic to some metacidiments and stuff like that.
54:55 Internally within the deposit though there is evidences of deformation. We have seen evidences for folding. I'm kind of thinking that it may be just localized folding or related to a broader deformation episode perhaps. But we do not see like large-scale folds where you you would say say on the mag map it's very clear that this same unit pinches and turns around it's it's not like that it's more tabular but when we zoom in at the scale of the deposit, we would anticipate, yeah, to have a little bit of folding, faulting, deformation, stretching, whatever it is. It's Archean rocks, So that deposit got formed like 2.8 billion years ago. So many, many things have happened since then.
55:55 In terms of drilling success and success rate, Frankly, I was totally impressed. Probably because I'm coming from a gold environment where success rate is very good when you hit 6 out of 10 or something like that. At NISQ, honestly, it's been pretty much 100% success rate. All time we do hit the target. What remains to be defined at the target location is its thickness and the grade, which we can't really control. But Based on the understanding we have, we are capable of pinpointing where the ore chute seems to be going. We are never really disappointed about that.
56:43 In terms of the stability of the drilling, it is very stable in the sense that we define targets, we drill a hole and usually it's kind of what we were expecting to be there is there. The grade needs to be defined by the lab. Pretty much. And what was the third component of that question? Yeah, so the core-oriented. Oh, core-oriented. In the past, I believe they attempted to do that. Would be very, very useful to have oriented core data, of course. However, I have to say that with my own experience, I'm not a big, big fan of oriented core, unless it's being done by purpose and very, very meticulously.
57:35 The problem with oriented core is if you do a mistake and it happens, such a mistake would propagate all down the hole and things like that. So you got to be very very meticulous at what you're looking at and classifying that with degrees of confidence on the data and things like that. Perhaps what we may be looking at doing eventually would be to sync a televiewer in a few holes instead. And the televiewer is a camera that will actually take a three-dimensional picture down the hole so you can unfold the tube on a 2D image. And you can actually measure angles, real angles there without the chance of the core being rotated. So you're actually taking a picture of the o-stroke that is left behind outside of the hole.
58:33 So you can't make mistakes when you do that. The danger is you can accumulate way too much data, so you can blur your vision with too much data. But with good work with that televiewer, definitely that could be another tool that would help us to pinpoint exactly what geometries we're looking like and things like that. This is basically what my own speciality is, building things in 3D. So definitely this is something we'll have a good look at. Thanks for that. Max, I think we're going to have to cut it off here pretty quick.
59:18 I see there was another question, you know, what happens after the 43-101 in the fall? Well, after that is drill results. So we'll be, you know, basically, you know, we'll be starting to drill next week. And of course, it takes about, and it works, you know, 10 to 12 weeks, you know, sometimes you get an 8, but generally we've been given guidance, say, 10 to 12 weeks to get those out. So we'd expect that probably sometime in early October we'll start to have general results like we had over the last 8 months from September to April. And we're every 3 or 4 weeks we're putting out, you know, significant news. And so, you know, that's one of the things that's attractive about Power Nickel now is that, you know, it is a bit of a news junkie, right? There's significant news coming almost every week or 2 weeks now, and it's not makeup stuff. It's actually hard-hitting, value-creating, intelligent investor information that will help to de-risk the investment for a lot of people.
1:00:17 So yeah, it's going to be a busy fall beyond the 43-101. There'll be the full metallurgical study out, the strategic moves that we're making, and then the drill results. And yeah, it should be an exciting fall. And we'll have to continue to, I think, I have to add to our team, but we needed the core guys to start, which was finding the rock and financing the rock. So we got 2 of those guys, 2 per app, and Duncan and looking forward to working with them and building something really terrific for our shareholders. Awesome, yeah, so that's all the time we have for today. So thank you all for taking us through the updates and the introductions.
1:01:04 I also want to thank everyone who submitted questions. And as always, today's recording will be available to watch on demand in the coming days. So feel free to look out for that. And before we wrap up, just passing things over back to you, Terry, for some final remarks. Yeah, I think we just sort of summed it up there. I think it's a great time to be looking at Power Nickel. If you're already in, God bless. It's going to make you happy. And if you're not already in, you should definitely check it out. You know it's a I think you know people get fixated on you know the money market sucks and you know the TSX fees at 600 yeah it is you know and that's the reality but you know what's cool about it if you're if you're not in already is that we're much closer to this turn because $60 billion has been committed and shovels are turning to build these new battery manufacturing plants in the Eastern United States and Quebec and Ontario.
1:01:59 Those guys are gonna need high grade class 1 nickel, that NISC cast. So things are gonna change and when the TSX-V does move, it's gonna be a ripper up to 1200 and then it could ultimately it'll bounce up to 24. So it's gonna be 3 or 4 full move for everyone, but within that, companies that have really done their thing right and created value are gonna appreciate by multiples of that. So I say to people, hey, maybe you don't take your full position now, you want to layer some things in, you think there might be some other further, you know, I don't know, sort of drops in the market, but if you look at the market, like this is as low as it pretty much gets. And I'm telling you folks, If not Power Nickel, find other ones you like, because investing in junior mining will change your life.
1:02:51 And it's going to happen, and it's going to happen soon. So that's my last thoughts. Awesome. Thanks again, everyone, for participating, and I hope you all Have a great day.