Simon Hille
Executive Vice President and Chief Operating Officer
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0:00 Thank you for standing by. This is the conference operator. Welcome to the El Dorado Gold third quarter 2026 results conference call. As a reminder, all participants are in listen-only mode and the conference is being recorded. After the presentation, there'll be an opportunity to ask questions. To join the question queue, you may press star then one on your telephone keypad. Should you need assistance during the conference call, you may reach an operator by pressing star then zero. I would now like to turn the conference over to Lynette Gould, Vice President, Investor Relations, Communications and External Affairs. Please go ahead, Ms. Gould.
0:39 Lynette Gould Thank you, operator, and good morning, everyone. I'd like to welcome you to our conference call to discuss our third quarter 2026 results. Before we begin, I would like to remind you that we will be making forward-looking statements and referring to non-IFRS measures during the call. Please refer to the cautionary statements included in the presentation and the disclosure on non-IFRS measures and risk factors in our management's discussion and analysis. Joining me on the call today, we have Christian Milau, President and Chief Executive Officer, Paul Ferneyhough, Executive Vice President, Strategy and Chief Financial Officer, and Simon Hille, Executive Vice President and Chief Operating Officer.
1:24 Our release yesterday details our third quarter 2026 financial and operating results. The release should be read in conjunction with our Q3 2026 financial statements and management discussions and analysis, both of which are available on our website and have been filed on CDAR Plus and EDGAR. All dollar figures discussed today are U.S. dollars unless otherwise stated. For clarity, we have rounded certain figures for the purposes of this conference call. We will be speaking to the slides that accompany this webcast, which can be downloaded from our website. After the prepared remarks, we will open the call for Q&A, at which time we will invite analysts to queue for questions. I will now turn the call over to Christian.
2:12 Thanks, Lynette, and good morning. I'll begin with an overview of the third quarter and an update on SCRIUS. As I begin my first quarterly call as CEO, my focus is on building on Eldorado's high-quality, long-life asset base and the investments already made, while improving execution consistency, enhancing capital discipline, and converting those investments into stronger cash flow and per share value. We have two new operations advancing through commissioning and ramp-up, together with significant exploration potential across the portfolio. You should expect us to set clear expectations, report transparently on our progress and be disciplined in how we allocate capital and deliver our long-term plan. I can't emphasize enough that our focus is on creating sustainable long-term value.
2:59 We are making decisions with that objective in mind while remaining disciplined on near-term execution, capital allocation and returns. An important part of that discipline is how we approach project development and execution. With our recently hired and enhanced projects team embedded across the business, We have strengthened our approach to project governance. Going forward, we do not expect to undertake any significant capital project without the projects team involved from the outset, bringing greater discipline and consistency to project evaluation, planning, execution, and oversight. The Scourge inauguration earlier this month was a proud moment for our team. and the positive response from government representatives including Prime Minister Mitsotakis, local communities and other stakeholders reinforced the significance of this project for Greece and the region. In addition, Skourios was designated a strategic project by the European Commission and in the next week or so we expect to be transporting our first batch of European produced concentrate, a European smelter just a few hours from Skourios. This is a key milestone for the team.
4:06 Earlier in September, analysts, investors and investors visited the site and saw firsthand the progress achieved as the operation advances through ramp up. And this week we announced our first filtered tails, which was a critical milestone in allowing the processing plant to operate continuously and start the ramp up towards commercial production during this quarter. This is an exciting time for Scurius and all our partners and stakeholders. I also want to thank George for his leadership over the past nine years and for the strong foundation he helped build. I'm pleased that he will remain an important shareholder, supporter, and board member. Turning to the quarter, the quarter marked an important step forward for Eldorado. Piscuria has produced first copper-gold concentrate, and McElvain & Bey continued to ramp up following first copper and zinc concentrate.
4:55 We expect both operations to achieve commercial production in late Q4. At Scurius, the ramp-up has taken longer and cost more than we expected, and it's important that we acknowledge that directly. Our immediate priority is to safely complete the remaining commissioning work, achieve commercial production, and establish stable, predictable operating performance. We are building strong momentum toward that goal and are encouraged by the progress we are seeing. Based on our year-to-date performance, we have revised our 2026 production guidance. For our operating assets, excluding Scurias and McIlvenna Bay, we now expect gold production of 410,000 to 430,000 ounces. Strong performance at LeMac is partially offsetting lower expected production at Kissadug and Olympias, with the Olympias expansion now expected to begin ramping up at Q1 2027.
5:48 At Scurias, we now expect 2026 production of 10,000 to 35,000 ounces of gold and 5 to 15 million pounds of copper. reflecting the slower than expected ramp-up. The revision reflects the timing of the ramp-up and does not change our current expectations for Scourge's long-term design capacity and based on the progress we are seeing and our current ramp-up plans, we remain comfortable with our expectations for Scourge in 2027. Importantly, the momentum we have built over the last few days with the tailing filter presses and the processing plant now operational, we remain focused on maintaining that momentum through the remainder of the ramp-up More broadly, despite the changes we are making to our 2026 guidance today, we remain comfortable with our overall outlook for 2027.
6:35 We expect to enter the year with Scourius and McIlvenna Bay advancing through ramp-up, the Olympias expansion coming online, and the benefits of the work underway at Kisledag beginning to contribute. Turning more specifically to Scourius on slide 5, first production of the copper-gold concentrate was achieved on September 8. The process plant is substantially complete and operating as expected as part of the ramp-up, with optimization and performance testing continuing across the circuit. And one milestone we are particularly excited about is the start of the two filter presses in Scorias, which we announced on Monday. And we continue to press tail successfully on a consistent basis this week. If you haven't yet watched the video that accompanied the release, I strongly encourage you to do so.
7:23 It's impressive to see the sheer scale of the filter presses in operation, the filter cake discharging onto the conveyors and the material moving out to the tailings management facility. It's a great visual representation of the progress being made at SCARIS. Those two filter presses enable continuous plant operation, which is an important step forward. We require four operating filter presses to support commercial production and commissioning of the remaining units is progressing well, with the additional units expected to come online in November and likely within the next couple of weeks. The site was successfully energized on September 28, completing the connection to grid power. All temporary generators have now been demobilized, providing the reliable long-term power infrastructure needed for commissioning and wrap-up.
8:10 Mining activities in both the open pit and underground continue to perform well, with a significant stockpile of both open pit and underground ore, providing substantial feed availability as the plant ramps up. Underground development is advancing according to plan with 2,100 meters completed during the quarter and the east ramp breakthrough achieved. Following first concentrate and the revised timing of commercial production, estimated total project capital for Scourge is approximately $1.425 billion, an increase that consists of $65 million of project capital and $45 million of previously guided growth capital. had been expected following commercial production but is now expected to be incurred prior to commercial production and is therefore reported as project capital.
8:56 To reiterate, this $45 million of capital is not new, it's just reclassified from the operating period to the capital period before commercial production. The actual increase of $65 million primarily reflects higher contractor workforce requirements, extended use of temporary power, additional owners costs and other execution related costs associated with the longer commissioning period. We also expect accelerated operational capital of 390 million, an increase that consists of 95 million of additional operational costs and 35 million of previously guided sustaining capital that had been expected following commercial production. It is now expected to be incurred and capitalized during the pre-commercial production period and is therefore reported as accelerated operating capital.
9:45 Again, this $35 million of capital is not new and just reclassified from the operating period to the capital period before commercial production. The actual increase of $95 million primarily reflects activities that support continued growth of the ore stockpiles ahead of our first production. further advancement of the underground mine and advancing the site general earthworks. We've also taken a cautious and prudent approach by separately identifying up to an additional 30 million contingency that may be incurred depending on the exact timing of commercial production. The classification of these expenditures will depend on when commercial production is achieved with amounts potentially reflected in project capital, AOC, sustaining capital or growth capital. Given the positive momentum we have seen over the past week, we certainly do not expect to use this contingency.
10:36 However, in the interest of being prudent and transparent, we believe it is appropriate to include it in our estimates at this stage. Based on our current cost and schedule assumptions, the project remains fully funded. With that, I'll turn it over to Paul to review the financial results. Thank you, Christian, and good morning, everyone.
10:53 Turning to slide six. Our third quarter financial results benefited from higher realized gold prices, while we continued to invest significantly in driving Scurius and McElvaney Bay towards commercial production. During the quarter, we produced 106,000 ounces of gold and sold 107,000 ounces. LAMAC delivered another strong quarter, benefiting from higher throughput, grade and recoveries, including the contribution from ORMAC. This helped partially offset lower production at Kisladag and FM Chukaru. Revenue increased 18% year over year to $512 million, supported by an average realized gold price of $4,326 per ounce in the quarter, compared with $3,527 per ounce in the third quarter of 2025.
11:40 The benefit from higher realized prices more than offset the impact of lower gold sales volumes. Production costs were $200 million compared with $164 million in the prior year quarter. The increase primarily reflected higher royalties, higher costs at Le Mac and Olympias, and the inclusion of pre-commercial production costs at McElvaney Bay. Total cash costs averaged $1,415 per ounce sold, while ASIC averaged $2,050 per ounce sold. The year-over-year increases primarily reflected higher production costs, lower gold sales volumes, and higher sustaining capital.
12:30 These impacts were partially offset by increased by-product credits. Depreciation and amortization was $59 million compared with $63 million in the prior year quarter, primarily reflecting lower production at Kisledag. We also recorded a $4 million foreign exchange gain, primarily reflecting movements in the Euro on Euro-denominated debt and payables in Greece. Other income was approximately $6 million and finance costs were approximately $14 million, with the increase in finance costs reflecting higher interest and financing costs on cumulative debt and changes in the fair value of redemption option derivatives.
13:15 Income tax expense was $92 million, including $62 million of current tax expense and $30 million of deferred tax expense. Overall, net earnings attributable to shareholders from continuing operations were $118 million or 45 cents per share, compared with $56 million or 28 cents per share in the third quarter of 2025. Adjusted net earnings were $127 million or 49 cents per share compared with $82 million or 41 cents per share a year ago. Overall, higher realized gold prices provided a meaningful benefit during the quarter, partially offsetting the impact of lower sales volumes and continued investment in our growth projects.
14:04 Turning to slide seven, our balance sheet and liquidity remain important priorities as we complete the investment programs at Scurius and McElvenny Bay. In August, we increased our revolving credit facility from $450 million to $600 million, extended its maturity to March the 1st, 2029, and improved our financial flexibility during enhanced pricing and beneficial covenant terms. At quarter end, we had approximately $397 million of cash and cash equivalents and $275 million of availability under the credit facility, providing total liquidity of $672 million.
14:49 We also held $72 million of restricted cash in the scurious debt service reserve account, which has been funded ahead of declaring project completion. Turning to cash flow, net cash generated from operating activities was $135 million in the quarter. Importantly, cash flow from operating activities before changes in working capital was $249 billion, compared with $184 million in the prior year quarter. Consolidated free cash flow was negative $191 million, reflecting the significant level of investment in Scourius and McElvenny Bay as both operations advanced towards commercial production. For additional context, the established operating portfolio generated $98 million of free cash flow before the investment in Scourius and McElvenny Bay during the quarter. This compared with $77 million in the prior year period.
15:47 This provides clear visibility into the cash generated by the established operating portfolio while we complete this significant phase of growth investment. During the quarter, cash capital expenditures were approximately $206 million at Scurius and $69 million at McIlvenny Bay, underscoring the significant level of investment reflected in the consolidated free cash flow. Looking ahead, our capital allocation priorities remain disciplined. First, completing the commissioning and ramp up to commercial production levels of Scourius and McElvenny Bay remain our immediate capital priority. Second, we will maintain balance sheet strength and financial flexibility as these two assets transition from investment towards material cash generation.
16:37 Third, as the new operations stabilize and free cash flow improves, we will evaluate the appropriate balance amongst debt reduction, reinvestment, and shareholder returns, including the size of our quarterly dividend and potential share repurchases. With that, I'll turn it over to Simon for an operational update.
16:59 Thank you, Paul. Starting at McIlvenna Bay on slide eight, the total project capital cost estimate from June 1, 2024 to commercial production is now expected to be $975 million, an increase of approximately $23 million and Lynn Lake Q4. For 2026, growth capital post-commercial production is expected to be approximately $15 million and sustaining capital post-commercial production is expected to be $10 million. The full process facility is operational with average throughput in the 70% range. We have focus on improved availability and operational consistency.
17:48 The remaining ramp-up activities are focused primarily on solid-liquid separation in the pyrite and tailings thickness, reagent control, and improving filtration rates and filter availability. Beyond the ramp-up, we continue to advance exploration opportunities to unlock additional value for McIlvenna Bay and broader district. We remain on track to include an inaugural inferred mineral resource for Tesla in our annual mineral reserve and mineral resource update in the fourth quarter. Given the exciting prospectivity at the Tesla deposit, we are undertaking additional work before updating the Mackle-Vena Bay technical report.
18:36 This includes evaluating shaft location, material handling options for both deposits and planning resource conversion drilling along with mill expansion study already underway. We expect to update the technical report once the work has advanced. Moving to slide nine and the LAMAC complex, the team delivered another strong quarter, producing 52,748 ounces of gold, supported by strong mill performance, higher head grade and recoveries, including positive contribution from LAMAC. LAMAC is becoming an increasingly important source of high grade ore for LAMAC. Cost performance remained strong with total cash costs of $897 per ounce sold and all in sustaining costs of $1,436 per ounce sold.
19:30 The latter reflecting the earlier transition of Ormec underground development from growth capital to sustaining capital. Moving to slide 10 at Kishida, production totaled 22,713 ounces of gold reflecting lower grade ore stacked, which is associated with mine sequencing as the operation continued to accelerate waste removal from phase six and the western area. Completion of necessary bench cleanup progressed more slowly than planned during the port delaying access to higher grade material, which was realized in September. The higher grade material is now being stacked on the North East bleach pad However, given the approximate 300-day leach cycle, the associated production benefit is expected towards the end of fourth quarter and into 2027.
20:26 All in sustaining costs were $2,832 per ounce sold, reflecting mine sequencing and the associated lower production, higher cash costs and higher sustaining costs. The accelerated waste stripping is expected to improve access and operating flexibility going forward. We are also continuing to advance initiatives, including the hollow agglomeration circuit, which remains on track with commissioning and ramp up expected in the first half of 2027. These initiatives are expected to support improved operational consistency and long-term performance. Moving to slide 11 at FM2 crew, The operation produced 17,073 ounces of gold, all in sustaining costs worth $2,313 per ounce sold, reflecting lower ounces sold and slightly higher total cash costs and sustaining capital expenditures.
21:28 FM2Crew continues to be a consistent contributor to the portfolio. While the grades were lower in the port, the team continued to deliver strong for the mine life extension. Moving to slide 12 at Olympias, we produced 13,430 ounces of gold. Level gold grades were partially offset by high mill throughput, while stable ore blend and stronger flotation performance supported improved metal recoveries. Quarterly gold production was impacted by decision to stockpile material with elevated lead and zinc This material is expected to be introduced through the control blending program during the fourth quarter to maintain stable plant performance and to optimize recoveries.
22:28 All in sustaining costs were $2,067 per ounce sold, supported by higher by-product credits. Completion of the 650,000 ton per annum expansion is ongoing with the final circuit tie-ins plan for the first quarter of 2027 and ramp up to nameplate capacity anticipated in the first half of 2027. Across the portfolio, our focus remains on safe, disciplined execution of advancing the operational improvements and growth initiatives that support Eldorado's next phase of production and cash flow. And with that, I'll turn the call over to Christian for closing remarks.
23:12 Thanks, Simon. Q3 was an important quarter for Eldorado. Scourge has achieved first concentrate. McIlvenna Bay continued its ramp up and our established operations generated meaningful production in a strong gold price environment. We've also just returned from McIlvenna Bay where we visited the site alongside our board of directors. Seeing the operation firsthand reinforced the quality of this long-term asset. There's meaningful expansion potential in the next few years and exceptional exploration potential over the long term. and I want to acknowledge the hard work of the team advancing the ramp up. As a beginning CEO, my approach is straightforward. Set clear expectations, report transparently on progress and respond quickly when results differ from plan.
23:58 I'm confident in the quality of the mines and exploration properties across the portfolio and in the cash flow potential of the investments we have made. Our focus now is on executing the remaining ramp ups and translating that potential into stronger, sustainable cash generation at per share value starting in 27. Beyond the near-term ramp-ups, we have substantial opportunity within the portfolio. Our job is not to chase growth for growth's sake. It's to maximize the value of the assets we already own, invest where returns justify it, strengthen the balance sheet, and grow per share value. Realizing that potential requires disciplined execution as we ramp up our growth projects through mid-2027. That is where our focus will remain. So thank you for your support and time today.
24:46 I'll now turn the call back to the operator for questions from our analysts. Thank you. We'll now begin the question and answer session. To join the question queue, you may press star then one on your telephone keypad. You'll hear a tone acknowledging your request. If you're using a speakerphone, please pick up your handset before pressing any keys. To withdraw your question, please press star then two. Our first question is from Cosmos Chu with CIBC. Please go ahead.
25:19 Great. Thanks, Christian and team. Maybe my first question is on Scurius and great to see that you've got the first of the two first filter presses now in place. Is that what we need to monitor in terms of the pathway to commercial production, getting the filter presses up to four filter presses? Or is there other stuff that we should be monitoring as well?
25:47 Hi Cosmos, it's Simon. Thanks for the question. When we think about the operation at Scurries, Two filters. When we're operating in porphyry ore types, so the long-term ore type, the sulphide that we're producing there, generally to get to full nameplates, we probably need four filters operating. Through conditioning, our plan always is to start at about 50% and then ramp through to that hundred percent mark with four filters we generally you know when we think about filtration we like four operating and one spare so our target is to get to five available right now we have two operating as we recorded we've got two more coming online in the next week to two weeks and then we'll be really available to you know brand the mill up to support that so that's really the last milestone if you want to think about it in terms of our ability to get to full production there's nothing else holding us back of significance.
27:16 Cosmos it's Paul and of course once Simon and the team have finished producing concentrate we've got to get it to market which is where we actually get our cash and What I can tell you is you should be looking out for confirmation of our first deliveries. We're anticipating those to go to a European smelter just a few hours away, and that'll be the next big phase. What I can also confirm is we have got contracts in place for offtake that covers basically the bulk of the next two and a half years. So once the facilities are humming along, we're going to be able to move that concentrate to our offtake partners, and all the logistics for that are in place and ready to go.
27:56 Great. Maybe switching gears to Mac Bay and kind of same type of question, reading through your MD&A, it sounds like the key here is getting availability up at the process plant, either be equipment or instrumentation or whatnot. Is that sort of like the critical path to commercial production? And again, is there something else that we should be aware of?
28:27 Hi Cosmo, it's me again. I think you've kind of articulated it fairly well. It's really about, we have had some challenges at the back end of the plant, not really the front end of the plant predominantly, where our solar liquid separation in the thickening and filtration units has had some ramp up challenges. you know we think we've got a good line of sight on the root causes of what was holding us back there now and we're at the right side of that moving forward so we anticipate that you know we'll be able to achieve our commercial production in this fourth quarter.
29:12 Great and you had mentioned it kind of touched on it previously talking about the different studies in place the silver circuit and potential for a mill expansion at Mac Bay and that could culminate into an updated technical report for Mac Bay but you stopped short in terms of potentially providing a timeline in terms of when that study might come out. Could you maybe give us a bit more granularity in terms of timing and when we can expect some of these potential projects and upside potential to be are all quantified in some type of technical report?
29:59 Yeah, excellent question, and I'm happy to talk to this one. It's pretty exciting for us. There's so many things, opportunities that we see at McElvaney Bay. We want to make sure that we have good clarity on our vision going forward and that we wrap in all the strategic aspects. We will probably be able to provide, I guess, more detail in our sort of guidance at the beginning of the year as to the timing of the studies but there is quite a few moving pieces so as you mentioned we have the silver lead circuit already underway and in terms of study and an expansion to 7 000 tons today you know running concurrently and we have materials handling study and shaft location trying to adjust for the magnitude of the deposit that we see at Tesla, which coming out at the end of the fourth quarter as some exciting news coming forward. So we're working towards pulling all those pieces together into a strategic bin and then make sure that when we talk to the market, and a few aspects are going to bring to the table.
31:28 So probably Q1 with that guidance, we'll be able to give more time in detail.
31:36 And Cosmos, I'm just going to add that certainly in 2027, we're focused on starting shareholder returns in a material way and taking a bit of a breather. So you shouldn't expect construction of any kind of expansion or anything during 2027. It's more of a taking a breather year, looking at our capital allocation, shareholder returns and starting to generate and turn into a cash flow or hit our cash flow inflection point, which is still on track for the early part of 2027. So we're excited about that. There's a bit of fatigue with projects I know right now, and we have a number of them underway, but we are so close to the finish line. It's a very exciting period right now.
32:15 That's good to hear. And maybe one last question. And I guess since I have you here, Christian, bigger picture, as you mentioned, the commercial production of Scurious slightly delayed and the commercial production at MacBase slightly delayed. But that's kind of 2026. You kind of touched on it in terms of potential impact into 2027. But could you maybe make a broader comment in terms of, you know, some of these issues or delays are they more encapsulated in 2026 is there any kind of potential impact into what we can expect in terms of production into 2027 could you maybe Christian make a comment yeah sure thanks Cosmos and you're absolutely correct I did allude to that in the comments and we don't expect that impact on 2027 production you know really this fourth quarter is the heavy lifting and and
33:11 We're really pleased with how Scrooge is going even over the last few weeks since you visited site or since the analyst visited site. And I think 2027 is not impacted by this. We think that we've got a reasonable expectation and we've given good guidance for next year and we're comfortable with that.
33:29 Great. Thanks, Christian, Simon, Paul and team for answering all my questions. That's all I have. Thank you.
33:37 Thanks, Constance. The next question is from Tanya Jakuskinek with Scotiabank. Please go ahead.
33:47 Oh, great. Good morning, everybody. Thank you so much for taking my questions. Maybe I'll go to Paul since I was a bit confused last night with all of these new capital numbers provided. I just wanted to reconfirm my understanding and if that's correct. So, Paul, when I think about SCORI, the additional capital, so not movement from one category from you know it's to another but additional monies that have to go out the door for scories is really the 65 plus the 95 which is 160 million is that a correct way of looking at it?
34:30 Tanya yes that's exactly correct.
34:32 Okay and then for Mac Bay it's 23 million so the total of 183 million is the additional capital new that has to go out the door for these two projects.
34:48 Yeah that would be the absolute increase yeah obviously as we pointed out we're not going to be incurring certain growth and sustaining capital but as far as the absolutes are yes you've got the figures exactly correct.
35:02 And then in the operating lines there was about a 55 million dollar increase between sustaining and development so a total 55 so I should be thinking that 237 million is the total additional capital for all development and operating mines is that a correct way of understanding it yeah I think you've picked up the right figures from the forecast to the end of the year okay Thank you for that. As I said, it was a bit confusing for me with all of the movements in different categories. I wanted to come back to the 2027 guidance because I'm trying to reconcile three minds and maybe someone can help me.
35:53 I don't know if that's Simon, but I'm going to start with Kisladag. Given all of the the slower recovery. Now we have access diamonds of higher grade ore so the 300 days leach cycle. We had a guidance of 140 to 160,000 ounces for 2027 and that's up from the 105 to 130 which had been the previous guidance. How should we be thinking about 2027? Do we actually have that Thanks for the question, Tanya.
36:34 As we look forward into 2027, obviously, we're in the process of doing our detailed budgets towards the back end of this year, and we'll have more accurate guidance coming forward. But yeah, as we sort of previously discussed, 2026 was always a cutback year for us in the open pit where we were going to be in lower grade. The intention of that is to ensure that we can set the mine up for the next several years at a sort of steady production rate. We see that range that we'd previously guided getting back into Kishida going forward and we have the benefit of the whole augumeration circuit which will improve that leach cycle which has been obviously a critical constraint to the operation being commissioned through you know the end of sort of Q2 and so by you know second half of next year we're really excited to see how that performs because as we've talked previously permeability and leach rate are intimately linked and we expect that to have a direct impact on the
38:04 speed at which we can that leach cycle that leach cycle days is in production so yeah we're quite excited by that we think we're through the most difficult part of the Transition Focus, you're done now.
38:24 Okay, thank you for that. Then the two mines that are ramping up, which one is Olympias and the second is Scories. I think the guidance for 2027 of the 150,000 ounces to 180 and the 50 to 70 million pounds of copper for 2027 assumes a one year full guidance. of normalized ramp up, like it was a steady state. And my understanding for scoreys is that we're not going to get to steady state until mid-2027. So can someone explain to me how that 150 to 180 and that 50 to 70 is going to pan out? Like, should I be having those? Like, what adjustments should we be thinking?
39:12 So again, you know, we'll give more accurate guidance in the beginning of the year, as we always do. and Tanya. However, you know, we have a couple of levers that we're going to evaluate through the budgeting period. So while we are saying that we will be ramping up to full production in the first half of 2027, we do have the benefit of 5 million tonnes in front of the mill today in terms of being able to now pick and choose grade and that grade that we've stacked is quite a bit higher than the life of mine grade. So we do think that we should be able to maintain those ranges that we've previously forecasted for the exact details we're working through right now.
40:02 and I think Tanya it's Christian here I think we we did take into consideration that there is a first half of the year we're ramping towards that full throughput when we put out the 150 to 180 so that was already factored in I think when we come out with our guidance we may have to indicate a little more first half versus second half or something but comfortable with the full year for sure okay so the better grade from the stockpile can give us some buffer for 2027
40:28 and then the 2028 that had also a step up. I'm just wondering if I moved the 2027 number into 2028 just because of the delay. I guess we'll see more of an update. I think you're putting out a new, are you putting out a new study on scories that we will be able to reconcile some of these numbers?
40:49 That's correct, Kenya. We plan to have one out by the end of Q1 to update our current position and the value of the stockpiles and the detail inside of that.
41:02 Okay and then Olympia similar thing we are ramping up in the first part of H1 of 2027 so maybe the 75 to 90,000 ounces in 2027 needs to be shaved a little bit unless you had factored in a ramp up in those 2027 estimates.
41:23 Yeah, you're probably correct there that there's going to be a little softer because of the ramp up in the first half. We don't have the exact numbers today, but we'll come out with that in early Q1 to give you better guidance, but it would probably be at the lower end of that range right now.
41:42 Okay. Thank you, Simon. That's very helpful. And maybe if I could talk about just costing as I think about your cost base going into 2027. um can you maybe share like besides diesel that we all know and fuel that's higher can you maybe share what you're seeing on your input cost for inflation um I think your you know inflation assumption I'm trying to see where you guys were for inflation um about six percent in your 2026 numbers and um Just on inflation, what you're seeing overall that you're thinking about for 2027, especially for labor and consumables within your cost structure?
42:30 Daniel, it's Paul. The big swing there really comes from Turkey, eh? And what goes on both in the political situation, the management of the economy there, and how it impacts our lira costs, which is about 40% of our business there. They're coming out of a period of hyperinflation, which means they're down to sort of 20, 25%. and then how that plays against the government's control or allowance of devaluation of the currency there. So we're still sort of paying attention to that. I expect a bit more devaluation in the lira next year than we've seen this year. And currently the government there is forecasting inflation in the sort of 20 to 30 percent range.
43:19 So we'll have to see as we get closer to the year end and understand when we'll next potentially see elections in Turkey and how that plays out. Across the Greek operations, inflation is in a much more sort of reasonable place. And, you know, I'm expecting next year overall, maybe a sort of three to five percent. We will be looking at employee wages there as well as we think about the next set of collective bargaining agreements. But I'm not expecting any massive surprises there in that part of the world. And then in Canada, I think it will just be along the lines of what we see across the country as a whole. So again, sort of in the 3% to 5% range.
44:07 And then ultimately, depending on whether or not we see any significant movements between the Canadian and the US dollar as we report those Canadian-based costs, in our figures there. So, you know, I don't see any big changes. As far as input costs are concerned, you know, diesel has been the one that's seen the biggest change this year. That impacts this year in particular Kisladag where we've seen diesel go up, you know, something in the sort of 20, 25% range following on from the conflict in the Gulf there. Diesel will be an important component of SCURIUS next year, of course, with our open pit mining. And so we're going to be paying close attention to what goes on with the diesel price through the back end of this year and make sure that we include clear guidance on that as we provide our guidance early next year under our usual timetable.
45:05 Okay. And are you seeing much in terms of turnover at all? Like it's about 7% for you guys? are you seeing any of that in this tight labor market?
45:17 So really I would say turnover for us is in those areas where we're competing against other key players. So in Greece, We don't really suffer from that. We're the only metal miner there. In Turkey, I think we compete very well and our staff live close to our mines. And so it's a big deal for them to up their lives and move to another operator. The big area where we have to watch is in obviously Lamacq. where we've got other operators in and around our facilities. I think historically we've been very good in terms of holding on to our excellent operating team there and turnover has been 3%, 5%. It's a little bit different in Mack Bay. It's a fly-in, fly-out operation for a large amount of the staff. And so they don't have that hook where their families are living a short distance away from where they're working.
46:14 It's much easier for people to move between different fly-in, fly-out sites. So we're paying close attention to remaining competitive in terms of our remuneration packages, but also building the Eldorado culture there, the way we operate, the way that we connect with our staff, our focus on safety, our focus on sustainability in the environment. And in the end, those are almost the biggest hooks. as long as you're paying competitively. So yes, we see higher turnover there, but that's not unexpected for a fly-in, fly-out operation.
46:52 And it's in a Canadian market that's been heating up a bit with a lot of the new permits and I think the support from both Minister Hodgson and Prime Minister Carney pushing forward a lot more sort of responsible resource development in the country. It's a positive thing, but it does put a bit of pressure on labour.
47:09 And Christian, if I could have a final question on just the shareholder returns. What do you need to see to really be aggressive on your shareholder returns? Do you need your assets to announce commercial production? Do you need to see that inflection point in free cash flow? So that would be later in the first half of 2027. And then how would you prioritize share buybacks versus increase in dividends? How do you look at all of that?
47:42 Yeah, I certainly hope that we outperform that expectation and that we'll be hitting free cash flow positive sooner, certainly early in 2027. And if we're even lucky, it could be late 2026. But that'll give us a chance certainly with our guidance to come out or with our capital markets day in the first quarter or so. with a bit more clarity on that but definitely at these sort of price levels for our shares we need to be looking at buying back more shares continuing our dividend and we'll evaluate whether we want to increase that in the short term but certainly in the longer term we need to look at our dividend but at this time I suspect looking at our shares they're going to be one of the best allocations of capital within our portfolio because we think they're trading too cheaply right now and it's still got a bit of that development overhanging them and so we're pretty excited I think the first part of 27 will be hitting that cash flow inflection and so I think we can give some pretty good guidance early-ish in the new year.
48:35 Thank you so much for taking all my questions and good luck.
48:40 Thanks Tanya. The next question is from Ralph Profiti with Stifel Financial please go ahead.
48:49 Yeah thanks operator and uh Good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. I have just two follow-ups. Firstly, is the early data that you're getting on these defiltration presses at Scorius meeting specifications, right, with regards to things like cycle times, you know, moisture content, drainage? And it wasn't clear to me whether or not we're at the point where sort of the entire system, meaning press conveyance and deposition, is operating as a single continuous unit now. And is that a prerequisite for commercial production?
49:23 Thanks, Ralph. It's Simon. Excellent question. We're actually pretty excited to how well the filters have been ramping up. In terms of cycle times, our target is, let's say, roughly four cycles per hour and we're within that window per filter and we're within that window already, which is quite remarkable for a ramp up and a filter of this size so for me that's a great sign and in terms of the moisture content we're sort of in the expected range with obviously some tweaks to go but definitely what we call transportable and stackable moisture range right now so That also is an excellent sign. These filters were the right choice for us in this application.
50:30 In terms of the conveyance and stacking system, yes, you're right. All of those elements are now operating, which is why we were so very excited to show that with the video online. sort of show end to end that now, you know, from crusher through to stacking in the tailing storage facility, we have all of those pieces operational, which allows us to continue to operate. So, you know, moving forward, there isn't anything fundamental in that system that is now not operating or not operational.
51:15 Okay, great. That's helpful, Simon. Thank you. And as a follow-up, you know, it also wasn't clear to me whether Macrobina-based all-liquid separation issues are to deal with control systems, or is this sort of a physical, you know, recalibration of things like reagents? And I was wondering which one is of the two, and are you able to quantify sort of some of the data that you're getting on the potential that this is having to recoveries?
51:47 Thanks Ralph. So to sort of be more specific, we've had all of the above challenges that we've been working through systematically. So initially we had a chemistry issue, we then had a sort of process control and operational issue, all of which we've now resolved and then from the solid liquid separation. In terms of the filtration, we have had some challenges with filter costs, early failures and systematic challenges in terms of how the filter has been performing.
52:33 We have recently turned the corner on getting more consistency from those units. and we think that while there's still optimization in front of us, we have a good part of that resolved now. To answer the recovery issue, this is really the backend that we've been talking about. Just to remind you that the pyrite concentrate that's produced at McElvenna Bay is really to desulfurize the tail. and then we put that in our backfill and that goes back into the underground stoves so that the tailings that we ultimately filter and dry stack is now non-sulphide, is depleted of sulphide and therefore potentially acid generating. So that's the key design and sustainability element of the Mackle-Benner Bay project.
53:36 In terms of the front end recoveries, in terms of the copper and the zinc recoveries, we're quite pleased with how well the rotation circuit and downstream elements have all been operating today. So we don't see any impact on recoveries at all because they're sort of somewhat different circuits. But thank you very much for the question.
54:04 Yeah, great. I appreciate the answers. Very helpful. Thanks to you and the team. Thanks, Rob. The next question is from Lawson Winter with Bank of America Securities. Please go ahead.
54:18 Yeah, thank you very much, operator. Good morning, Christian, Paul, and Simon. Thanks for today's update. I just wanted to come back to SCORES. It's actually quite reassuring that you're pointing to no change to the 2027 production numbers. I wanted to ask, though, with respect to that, just two things. So one, the stockpile grew materially, which is great to see. You're at 4.8 million tons. How much of that is the friendly sulfide ore? And then how many weeks or months of sulfide ore do you have before you have to introduce the oxide ore? and then Paul, I'd have a follow up for you, which is just with the slight delay here in commercial production at both Scorias and Olympias. Is there any impact or read through for the off takes that you had so diligently signed over this year? Are there any penalties to that?
55:20 Thank you.
55:23 Thanks, Wilson. Good question around what is in the stockpiles. Roughly nearly 50% of the stockpiles are predominantly sulphide material. One of the things we probably didn't talk about in this release was the open pit now is in the primary sulphide ore. So every truck and bench that we Mine from the open pit really is predominantly the sulphide oil. So we can feed sulphide oil directly from the open pit into the crusher along with supplementing that from the stockpile material. So we really do have the luxury of being able to blend that moving forward and our plan, I think we've spoken about previously, our plan would be to sort of blend in oxide in the towards the back end of this year and into 2027 in the sort of 20 to 30% range as we become making sure that we maximize our extraction from those different ore types, those oxide ore types.
56:40 So there isn't any limitation in terms of how we see that going forward in terms of the process plan.
56:52 Lawson, it's Paul. Just on the commercial terms for the offtake, I mean, you know, it is a seller's market right now and we've been able to negotiate into that. And so we've been very careful to ensure we've got flexibility that allows us to deliver when the mine is ready. And so there are no penalties. We're committed to certain volumes, to certain offtakers. but that's all been negotiated as part of excellent commercial terms around treatment charges at the moment and flexibility for us to deliver over the next two and a half years volumes that have been committed so no we're getting ready for our first shipments and really looking forward to working with our off-takers as our production starts to ramp up.
57:36 I was just going to add loss to this question that the stockpile is over 5 million tons now, so it has continued to grow and hence we continue to spend on accelerated operating capital because it's just beneficial to the long term ability to feed that plant, which will be hungry next year.
57:50 Okay, great. With respect to this discussion around the free cash flow inflection, we're inspecting, expecting in 2027 I mean, one element of this is going to be the sustaining capex. With the current operations, the sustaining capex guidance was increased for 2026. So we're looking at 170 to 190 million now. Prior was 140,165. What does that pretend for the current operating assets 2027 wise? Is 170 to 190 million a good run right now for 2027? and then thinking of the additional sustaining catbacks that will be added from Scorias and Mack Bay. I mean, typically with newer mines, you'd expect sustaining catbacks to be a little less intensive, um you know just given some of the work that's being done at those assets what are the the what are the expectations around sustaining capex for for the two projects scoria's and macbay and then what are the key items that we should be considering uh for those assets post-commercial production maybe i'll just jump in with the first uh uh
59:08 I think you can think of it as kind of continuing on and maybe double that amount when you add that several new lines in and the upgraded sort of capacity at Olympia. So, you know, give or take double that amount is probably a reasonable range for now. And obviously, we'll give more clarity when we come out in January or so with our new guidance.
59:28 Yeah, I mean, just from my point of view, we're working through our budgets at the moment. And just like any company that works through their budgets, there's always challenge when the teams come back with their laundry list of requirements for the following year. So we're in the midst of discussing that with them. You know, I'd also sort of remind us that at Scurius, for example, we're also still building our paste plant, which is accelerated to support the underground development, which we're also moving forward with. Thank you very much.
1:00:26 maybe just finally on Mack Bay. You had previously noted that we should be modeling cost per ton or OPEX per ton of about $90 to $110 by the end of December. So with the update, you're still planning to get to that 90 to $110, but it just, It wasn't clear to me when you expect to get there and maybe for context, can you give us an idea of what you're expecting for an average cost OPEX per tonne for Q4 26 and then when you get to that 90 to $110 level in 2027?
1:01:05 Thanks, Wilson. So maybe to sort of answer the first part of that question, Yeah, well, again, a little similar to Scori's, we do have substantial stockpiles in front of our mill at Mackle Benner Bay. We have roughly 400,000 tons, which is a substantial amount. We also have multiple stoves available underground So until we, as we sort of ramp up the mill and start drawing on those underground stoves and synchronising that with pace backfill, we're not going to hit our sort of steady state optimisation point in the mine and mill combined.
1:02:04 So that's going to be transitioning through this quarter. in terms of you know when do we still think those 90 to 110 for the mine is a reasonable number from what we see but we haven't got to that confirmation point given that we haven't got to those tonnages just yet but we should be moving through that as we move into commercial production in the coming months in terms of how does that impact 2027 we'll obviously give greater clarity on that at our guidance in January as we sort of finalize the working budgets that we have today. So I don't have any new numbers for that right now.
1:02:56 I'd probably start out at sort of around the upper end of that range to start and then we'll try and be working down obviously into the range over the next quarter or two or three.
1:03:06 Okay, that's helpful. Thank you both. Thank you all. Once again, if you have a question, please press star then one. The next question is from Harrison Reynolds with RBC. Please go ahead.
1:03:21 Hi, good morning, and I appreciate the detail provided so far on the operations. Wondering if you could characterize your current expectations for what commercial production means to you for both scurries and macbay, you know, what percentage of main plate and for how many days? and also I mean great to see the reiterated 2027 guidance and the confidence there and wondering if you could say when you're expecting nameplate capacity to be reached approximately. Thank you.
1:03:53 Harrison, Paul here. So commercial production, there is a significant amount of flexibility that management have in terms of exactly when we strike that designation. But really, it reflects the fact that the assets are performing in line with management expectations. So in line with why you invested in the processing facilities and the mining. So a couple of things. Basically, you're looking for 60 to 80 percent of throughput, the production of a saleable concentrate and steady operations for, let's say, somewhere between 20 to 30 days, although they're not necessarily consecutive days.
1:04:38 But that's sort of the generally accepted definition. And that's what we're going to be looking for, both from Scurrius and from McElvenny Bates.
1:04:48 Got it. And then on the nameplate capacity at both of those operations, is that a mid-2027 item, or whenabouts in 2027 do you expect to be hitting nameplate capacity at both mines?
1:05:04 Yeah, thanks, Harrison. It's Simon. We're sort of guiding on this to sort of be conservative, to be sort of by the middle of 2027. just to ensure that we don't overstate capabilities and to give the teams time to optimize the circuits that they have. But yet right now, we don't see anything challenging us to achieving that today.
1:05:38 Got it. And if I could fit in one more, you mentioned capital returns are going to be an increasing priority in 2027. That's great to hear. net debts at $1.6 billion. Wondering how you're thinking about the best use of capital between buybacks, debt reduction, and the necessary reinvestment of the projects and what you think the repayment cadence is from here.
1:06:02 Yeah, Harrison, the way I think about the debt, it sort of breaks down into three things. We've got commitments, Thank you very much. Secondly, on the debt, the project financing debt that we acquired with the Foran acquisition runs at a much higher interest rate than we can obtain as a corporation. And so I'm going to be looking to refinance that at least on a temporary basis, bearing in mind the cash flow inflection that's coming early next year.
1:06:51 So we get it closer to our sort of net level of financing and we have opportunities to do that. And then finally, you know, in the longer term, it's then assessing what's the right capital stack for us across our project financing, our revolving credit facilities and our bond. And that'll be something that we're working on through next year. The one other thing just before I hand you over to Christian, I think he's going to talk about the equity returns. We have been using our revolving credit facility, recently renegotiated and upsized with better interest rates than we had before. Paying that back during next year will also be a priority as we move into the beginning of the year. So those are the sort of ways that we're thinking about the debt.
1:07:37 and then I think as well the next sort of phases are we've got exploration that we want to do there's an extremely exciting portfolio that we really haven't been talking about much and during that capital markets day I think we'll get a chance for Claire to actually walk through all the assets and so allocating I don't know call it 80 to 100 million probably to exploration will be a critical element and we'll have high returns and then I think like I said earlier projects will take a bit of a breather on there are no major projects that we need to start next year Expansion LeMac or at Mac Bay or even at Paramahill. I think 2028 is the earliest you'd be starting any material spend on those actual construction projects at the earliest so there'll be none of that in a way next year and so dividends and buybacks I think are going to be critical and at the moment with like I said earlier the share price where it is and the multiples and valuation we'll be very happy to be buying our own shares and I think the return on buying our own shares will be one of the best uses the capital will have and and I think progressively over time, increasing our dividend as we move into a more steady state cash flowing period during the year. I think that'll also take a bit more priority.
1:08:41 So we're gonna have lots of nice options and good uses of that capital, but I think that priority starts to shift heavily towards shareholder returns as well next year.
1:08:52 Understood, thank you. Appreciate the detail on the call today and looking forward to the year ahead. Thanks for taking my questions. Thanks, Harris. That's all the questions we have for today. This concludes the question and answer session and today's conference call. You may disconnect your lines. Thank you for participating and have a pleasant day.
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