Atricure (NASDAQ:ATRC) Q2 2026 Earnings Call

0:00 Good afternoon, and welcome to AtriCure's Second Quarter twenty twenty six Earnings Conference Call. This call is being recorded for replay purposes. And at this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. We will be facilitating a question and answer session following prepared remarks from AtriCure's management. I would now like to turn the call over to Melissa Beit from the Gilman Group for a few introductory comments. You may begin.

0:28 Thank you. By now, you should have received a copy of the earnings press release. If you have not received a copy, please call (513) 644-4484 to have one emailed to you. Before we begin today, let me remind you that the company's remarks include forward looking statements. Forward looking statements are subject to numerous risks and uncertainties, many of which are beyond AtriCure's control, including risks and uncertainties described from time to time in AtriCure's SEC filings. These statements include, but are not limited to, financial expectations and guidance, expectations regarding the potential market opportunity for AtriCure's franchises and growth initiatives, future product approvals and clearances, competition, reimbursement, and clinical trial enrollment and outcomes.

1:21 AtriCure's results may differ materially from those projected. AtriCure undertakes no obligation to publicly update any forward looking statements. Additionally, we refer to non GAAP financial measures, specifically constant currency revenue growth, adjusted EBITDA and adjusted earnings or loss per share. A reconciliation of these non GAAP financial measures with the most directly comparable GAAP measures is included in our press release, which is available on our website. And with that, I would like to turn the call over to Mike Carroll, President and CEO.

1:57 Thank you, Marissa, and good afternoon, everyone. Thank you for joining us on today's call. AtriCure delivered solid second quarter results with worldwide revenue of $154,000,000 and growth of 13%. Our U. S. Business led the growth with an increase of 14% year over year, fueled by continued adoption of Cryo Sphere Max and Cryo XT probes in our pain management franchise, AtriClip Flex Mini and Prominent devices in our appendage management franchise and the Encompass clamp in our open ablation franchise. We also generated over $27,000,000 of adjusted EBITDA and $9,000,000 of net income, further reinforcing the outstanding progress we are making to improve profitability and demonstrate the overall strength of our business.

2:45 As we enter the back half of the year, the breadth of our platform gives me tremendous confidence, and I'm energized by what our team can accomplish as we advance our key strategic initiatives. To that point, I would like to take a moment to highlight one of these strategic initiatives, the BOX No AF clinical study, the benefits of ablation and LAA management in cardiac surgery procedures for patients without a history of atrial fibrillation. We started enrolling this trial in the fourth quarter of last year and have now surpassed the 50% enrollment mark with over 500 patients in the trial. We remain on track to complete full enrollment of nine sixty total patients by the end of this year, well ahead of our original plan.

3:31 We believe the speed of enrollment and site engagement reflect the strong interest and value that cardiac surgeons place on managing the most common complication of cardiac surgery and the sheer size of the market opportunity. Postoperative AFib places a significant burden on their patients, and the need goes beyond patient care. In The United States alone, healthcare spending for postoperative AFib exceeds $2,000,000,000 annually. The magnitude of this unmet need further underscores the critical importance of this trial. Based on our current trajectory, we are positioned for clinical trial data readouts in the first half of twenty twenty seven and are excited about the opportunity to advance preventative therapies in cardiac surgery.

4:17 Meanwhile, we are making great progress with our LEAPS clinical trial, which is investigating the stroke reduction benefit of left atrial appendage management in cardiac surgery patients without AFib. We continue to follow the more than 6,500 patients enrolled in LEAPS as we get closer to the clinical trial outcomes. Together, these two clinical trials give AtriCure multiple complementary paths for label expansion on our devices and represent powerful catalysts for AtriCure in the cardiac surgery market. Now I will walk you through our franchise performance in the second quarter. Pain management had another fantastic quarter delivering 27% worldwide growth, driven primarily by the adoption of Cryo Sphere Max.

5:03 While we continue to add accounts at a robust pace, we remain at the front end of a long growth trajectory as we penetrate deeper into thoracic surgery and see building traction in sternotomy procedures. We recently completed evaluations of CryoCure Max at two major cancer centers in The United States with positive outcomes and continue to expand our field team to support this growth. Additionally, I want to highlight our newest product innovation in pain management, the Cryo XT probe, designed for use in amputation procedures. Our team recently attended the Society for Vascular Surgery Annual Meeting in Boston, where Cryo XT was included in our presentation on optimizing outcomes in below the knee amputations.

5:49 The message was clear and mirrors what we are seeing in the early adopters with Cryo XT. Surgeons and care teams see a difference with Cryo XT and the patient experience and an improvement in the recovery from their surgeries. While we are still in the early stages of therapy awareness and adoption, we are encouraged by our progress and expect Cryo XD to contribute more meaningfully in revenue in the back half of this year. Turning to our cardiac ablation franchises. Open ablation revenue increased 11% worldwide in the second quarter, led by continued adoption of the Encompass clamp. We are four years into our full U. S. Launch and still see Encompass driving strong growth. In key international markets, we are gaining momentum behind the more recent Encompass launches.

6:38 Looking ahead, we anticipate an uptick in adoption as a result of the new STS quality metric on concomitant AFib treatment. As we highlighted in our first quarter call, quality metrics have historically been powerful catalysts for the adoption in cardiac surgery. We believe this change will further increase the use of surgical AFib ablation and left atrial appendage management, creating a meaningful and sustainable growth catalyst for the business with significant long term growth opportunity. Our minimally invasive ablation business remained under pressure in the second quarter with the continued focus in the market on treating patients with PFA catheters. We believe there's a role for hybrid Afib therapy for patients with long standing persistent Afib and are directing our efforts to support hybrid therapy customers.

7:27 We have seen referral patterns for hybrid procedures stabilized over the last several quarters in a small subset of accounts. However, we need to see this stabilization across a broader customer base before we can expect return to growth for this franchise. And finally, our appendage management franchise grew 14% in the second quarter, driven by both our open and minimally invasive appendage management products. In The U. S, growth was fueled by the adoption of the AtriClip Flex Mini in open chest procedures and AtriClip Pro Mini for minimally invasive surgery. Both products now account for 45% of our appendage management revenue in total and in open and MIS appendage management categories, respectively.

8:15 Surgeon feedback on the AtriCure Mini devices is incredibly positive, with a significant size reduction, proven product and clinical performance of the AtriCure platform

8:26 underscoring their feedback. Internationally, growth has been supported by the continued utilization of our legacy AtriClip devices. The upcoming European launch of AtriClip Flex Mini and PRO Mini, coupled with the ongoing expansion of our AtriClip portfolio across Asia is I'd like to take a moment to address new entrants into the appendage management market, as I understand this topic is top of mind for many of our shareholders. First and foremost, we believe it is validation of the market opportunity. When larger medtech companies invest in your core markets, it is a strong signal that the markets are robust and have a long runway for growth.

9:16 AtriCure has always believed this area of cardiac surgery is incredibly compelling. And as a result, we have approached our business proactively. We have invested significant resources in continual product development to improve and enhance the features of our AtriCure platform, and the many devices are the most recent example of incredibly impactful product innovation that is meeting a clear market need. But continuous and robust innovation alone is not enough. AtriCure has also funded landmark clinical trials like LEAPS and Box Snow AF and proactively studied and accumulated outcomes on our AtriCure devices over the last decade, resulting in a clinical compendium that simply has no rival today or for the next decade.

10:04 Finally, we have made physician education and clinical support the foundation of our business model, with large global field and professional education teams that are experts in AFib and surgical appendage management. We believe these three pillars of innovation, clinical science and education will prove to be extremely difficult to replicate and are prepared to protect our leadership position in the cardiac surgery treatment of AFib and left atrial appendage management. To conclude, the second quarter of twenty twenty six was another healthy quarter overall for our business. We are well positioned to deliver for the remainder of this year, and our progress on strategic initiatives paves the way for market expansion and growth through the end of this decade and beyond. And with that, I will turn it over to Angie Wyrick, our Chief Financial Officer.

10:52 Angie? Thanks, Mike. Our second quarter twenty twenty six worldwide revenue of $153,600,000 increased 12.8% on a reported basis and 12.4% on a constant currency basis when compared to the second quarter of twenty twenty five. On a sequential basis, worldwide revenue grew 8.7 from the first quarter to the second quarter of twenty twenty six. Second quarter twenty twenty six U. S. Revenue grew 13.6% to $125,600,000 from the second quarter of twenty twenty five. Open ablation product sales were $40,900,000 up 12.1% over 2025, supported by ongoing utilization of our Encompass clamp.

11:39 US sales of appendage management products grew 14.4% year over year to $51,600,000 reflecting increasing adoption of our recently launched AtriClip Flex Mini and Pro Mini devices. US pain management sales reached $27,100,000 reflecting 27.8% growth year over year. Growth in pain management was driven by strong adoption of the Cryosphere Max Probe, along with a small but increasing contribution from our latest product launch Cryo XT. Finally, we saw a decline in our minimally invasive ablation sales, which contributed $6,000,000 in revenue for the quarter. International revenue was $28,000,000 up 9.6% on a reported basis and 7.1% on a constant currency basis as compared to the second quarter of twenty twenty five.

12:29 European sales accounted for $17,200,000 up 6.7% year over year, and Asia Pacific and other international markets accounted for $10,800,000 up 147% year over year. Gross margin was 77.2% for the second quarter, approximately two seventy basis points higher than the second quarter of twenty twenty five. Our strong gross margin was once again primarily driven by favorable product and geographic mix, along with manufacturing efficiencies.

13:04 Turning to operating expenses for the quarter. Total operating expenses increased $1,300,000 or 1.2% to $109,000,000 in the second quarter of twenty twenty six, compared to $107,700,000 in the second quarter of twenty twenty five. As a reminder, reported operating expenses in the prior year included a $5,000,000 milestone payment under the PFA co development agreement. Excluding that milestone payment, total operating expenses increased $6,300,000 or 6.1% year over year, led by research and development expenses, which increased approximately 9%, reflecting enrollment in our BOX X NOAF trial and continued advancement of projects across our product development pipeline.

13:54 SG and A expenses increased 5.3%, demonstrating continued investment in growth initiatives while driving operating leverage across the organization. Our team drove a strong second quarter adjusted EBITDA result of $27,300,000 compared to $15,400,000 for the second quarter of twenty twenty five, a 78% increase year over year.

14:19 For the quarter, we recorded net income of $9,000,000 compared to a net loss of $6,200,000 in the second quarter of twenty twenty five. Earnings per share and adjusted earnings per share were both $0.18 in the second quarter of twenty twenty six, compared to a loss per share of $0.13 and an adjusted loss per share of $02 in the second quarter of twenty twenty five. We ended the second quarter with $167,800,000 in cash and investments, with approximately $22,000,000 in cash generated during the quarter, with net positive cash generation for the first half of twenty twenty six. Looking ahead, we are reiterating our expectations to achieve positive cash generation through the remainder of the year, further strengthening our balance sheet and enhancing our financial flexibility.

15:09 And finally, turning to our outlook for 2026. We now expect to achieve $6.00 $2,000,000 to $610,000,000 in revenue for the year, reflecting growth of approximately 12.5% to 14% over 2025. We expect growth to be led by pain management, appendage management and open ablation franchises and see ongoing pressure within MIS ablation and certain international markets. We anticipate typical revenue seasonality in the back half of the year, with third quarter revenue down 1% to 2% sequentially from the second quarter, followed by a rebound in the fourth quarter. Given our strong first half performance and expanding operating leverage, we are raising our outlook for adjusted EBITDA to approximately $85,000,000 to $89,000,000 for the full year 2026.

16:03 This places our full year adjusted EBITDA margin at approximately 14% using the midpoint of our guidance. We are also reiterating our plan to achieve full year net income and continue to expect that we will achieve additional milestones with our PFA platform development this year, triggering IPR and D charges in the back half of twenty twenty six. Finally, we expect full earnings full year earnings per share of approximately $05 to $0.13 and adjusted earnings per share of approximately $0.24 to $0.32 Before we conclude, I would like to thank our team around the world for their passion and focus on our mission. Your efforts are making a difference in the lives of tens of thousands of patients each quarter.

16:49 In addition, with our collective discipline, we are demonstrating the increasing strength of our operating model. With this combination, I am confident in our ability to drive sustainable, profitable growth with value creation. With that, I'll hand the call back to Mike for his closing remarks. Thanks, Angie. As we look forward, we are focused on delivering on each of our commitments, all while advancing two groundbreaking trials that we believe will define the next decade at AtriCure. Our continued double digit revenue growth,

17:19 improving margins and increasing profitability position us well ahead of our long range plan and reflect the strength of our portfolio and our team worldwide. Many thanks to the entire ATRC team for their execution and belief. Together, we have a bright future. And with that, I'll turn it over to the operator for questions. Thank you. Our first question comes from the line of Matthew O'Brien with Piper Sandler. Your line is open. Afternoon. Thanks so much for taking the questions.

18:07 Mike, maybe for starters, just talking about the competitive launch on the CLIP side of things. What is incorporated in the guide for maybe some trialing towards the end of the year here? And secondly, you've had a bigger competitor enter this market in the past, didn't do very well against you. Can you maybe compare and contrast a little bit what you're seeing from this new competitive product, what you know about it? What really stood up last time? Was it your next generation products versus that previous one, the clinical data? I'm sure it was a combination of those. But is there one or two things that you can kind of call out that make that'll help make people comfortable that you may not see meaningful share degradation or pricing compression as a result of this launch?

18:54 Sure. I mean, yes, to answer your first question, it is incorporated into our guide. We do anticipate people trialing the product, etcetera, in the back half of the year. So that has definitely been contemplated as we looked at our revenue guide for the rest of the year. So first, yes, on that front. In terms of I tried to address it kind of in my comments a little bit, Matt, but thanks for letting me do it again, which is I think that there's a couple of things. One, I want to reiterate, we think that having big companies come into our space tells you that this is a very large multi billion dollar market opportunity. And it validates the work that we've been doing. Now here's the here's the catch. We're way ahead of everybody else. Our our competition is looking at this. We've seen products on both sides, obviously. Our products are superior. They are smaller in profile. They are easier to put on. They provide much better visibility to the product. We've seen both of the products on that front. I am confident with the work that our engineering team has done that ours makes the procedure incredibly easier.

19:51 And we've also got a pipeline of new product innovations continuing to come out both later this year, early part of next year and

19:57 into the end of next year. We've talked about those before. We've got the V clip that is the mini coming out at the end of next year and even a smaller version of our existing product coming out at the end of this year. So we have a and that is just the beginning of or continuation of a great innovation pipeline we have. So one, innovation. We have never stopped innovating and looking at how do we advance this product and listen to our customers. Number two, and as I mentioned, innovation alone is not going to do it. You need to prove that your technology actually does do the closure necessary and reduce strokes eventually. It's

20:31 why we committed ourselves and we're confident in our trial and hit a six thousand five hundred patient trial for LEAPS. And we did that also into the box and included the AtriClip into that trial. Now you're going to have almost 10,000 patients in randomized controlled, very strictly reviewed trials to demonstrate that this product works all the time. And what we've seen is that the safety profile on it is exceptional that we've seen out in the field as well. And on top of the safety profile, we believe that we're going to also see tremendous clinical benefit as well. And we have on top of that, I talked about the whole clinical compendium. We have over 100 papers written and produced on this peer reviewed with almost over 20,000 patients demonstrating how effective our technology is.

21:16 I believe that that makes a huge differentiation. Not only do we have the best product from what I've seen, in addition to that, we've got clinical evidence that we've been investing in for many years. And finally, as I mentioned also, we have a team in place that understands this market. When you do this, you do an ablation with the AtriClip. You do them in combination together because they work together around the calamities of AFib. And so we believe that is a big advantage. Our team knows it. We're focused on it, not just here in The United States, but all over the world. And we will continue to invest in our field team or education team. We've got over 500 people around the globe in the field in a combination of professional education and field level roles that are all incredibly smart and capable and understand the AFib space.

22:05 I appreciate that. And then the pain management business here, this is the biggest sequential improvement we've seen. I'm just curious, obviously, thoracotomy has been a big growth driver for you, and it seems like sternotomy is now coming along maybe a little bit on the limit amputation side of things. So, yeah, think I asked you this at our conference last year, but, you know, this business now,

22:32 it seems like it's accelerating, you know, are we getting sternotomy as the big driver right now and there's a long way to go there? Can this franchise eventually be your second biggest franchise just given the trajectory that we're seeing right now? Thank you. Well, think what you're seeing in there is a couple of things and you hit on pretty much all of it. But on the thoracotomy side, we're still under penetrated. And we are just starting to get into the top cancer centers around the country. I mentioned that there were two, it's actually three of the top five are now have done internal testing on it, demonstrated that this product actually works in their patient population, in their surgeons hands. And they are now we're now getting

23:10 purchases from those hospitals today in some of the largest cancer centers. That's going to set the tone because they're going to do additional research, write papers on it and get the word out. And that's just in thoracotomy that is still not even 25% penetrated in that overall market. And then you combine that with, like you mentioned, the two new areas and TAM expanding areas, sternotomy is beginning to kick off. CryoSphere Max made a big difference there to reduce the time in that surgery. They do see enough benefit to spend that bit of time on it. It's made it so much easier for the cardiac surgeons to use it. And we're in almost 100 accounts already doing or having some testing out of the sternotomy side of things. And then on top of that, obviously you mentioned the expansion in XT. The beginning part of this year, saw very little revenue in XT.

23:55 But we do expect that to accelerate its own growth. Obviously, on small numbers, so won't make a massive impact in the back half of the year. But we're definitely seeing great results, as I mentioned. And we're starting to see it already just nine months into it being presented at conferences like the Vascular Conference that I mentioned in Boston just a month ago. Thank you. Please stand by for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Maria Sarbalt with BTIG. Your line is open. Hi, good afternoon. Thanks so much for taking the question. I wanted to start here and kind of circle the profitability we saw from you this quarter. Really impressive to see both that adjusted EBITDA number and the net income metric as well. And I just want to understand some of the sustainability of it. Obviously, strong gross margins, really well controlled OpEx this quarter. Should we expect that

24:58 to be sustained here going forward? And we're well ahead of, I think, your long range plan vision that you gave you set out for us a couple of years ago. So I'd love if you have any updates on that vision, where you think that adjusted EBIT metric could end up going over the next couple of years? Thanks.

25:17 Thanks, Marie. You called out a couple of the key drivers here on the gross margin front. Great start to the year. Definitely seeing the read through on the product mix front, largely contributing from the new product launches in The U. S, improving the overall gross margin. We face a headwind in the back half of the year with our new manufacturing facility coming online. It's expanding current manufacturing capability and capacity. It's a small headwind here when you think over the context of the improvements that we've made to gross margin up from 75% next year. So, there is some pull through that we'll see from continued benefit of gross margin in the second half of the year. In the OpEx side, I'd say we are seeing some leverage within R and D. I mean, our goal is to continue to fund the R and D engine between product development and the clinical trials, but we are seeing some leverage there, but the more pronounced is coming from SG and A. Again, intent is to fuel our growth drivers here. But we're seeing the benefits of size and scale at AtriCure.

26:20 In the second quarter, you've seen it in the first quarter as well as last year. So, those are the areas I think that will continue to be the performance driving the improvements to the bottom line going forward. And relative to the longer term outlook, you're right, we are thinking almost two years ahead of plan on the bottom line. I think what you saw at our Investor Day was an incredibly compelling story that said continued double digit top line growth, strong performance. Our focus is on funding growth opportunities, which we've been able to do while also improving profitability. And I think what you saw at the end mark, you know, the 2030 vision there said that we think that we can be competitive with some of the best margin stories that are out there. Okay, that's great, Angie. Thank you. I'd like

27:07 business. Could we get an update on sort of what's been happening in The UK market? I know that there was I think last quarter the APAC little light. So any updates on kind of what's going on? OUS would be very helpful for us as well. Thanks again. Yeah, I'll tackle the Asia Pacific markets first. Like we said on the first quarter call expected that to be transitory. And you saw that in the second quarter results. Within Europe, we saw softness in a couple of our key markets there, UK and Germany specifically. The UK, again, continues to be sequentially flat. Our guidance relative to the year anticipated that we'd be under pressure, given the kind of reimbursement there. We did get some more positive

27:51 news relative to our Encompass clamp recently. You know, we're hopeful that that makes up for some of the impact of our cryosphere probe, having lost reimbursement in that market. I think the other areas, the strong markets, end user markets are very strong. So, have confidence in the ability of our international markets to rebound and are just focusing on execution there. So, that's top of mind when we think about the outcomes and the outlook for the year relative to our guidance and feel like we've incorporated that pressure into the back half of the year. Really helpful. Thanks so much for taking the questions. Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of John Young with Canaccord. Your line is open. Hi, Mike and Angie. Thank you for taking the question and congratulations on the quarter.

28:39 To go back to the pain management franchise and the strong growth you saw in Q2, was there any stocking revenue recognized in the quarter? And perhaps could you also just share what percentage of revenue is Cryosphere MAX now? And then lastly, any update on plans to try to gain additional reimbursement for these products in The U. S? Or do you think that given the uptake you're seeing so far, you may not need it? Thanks. John, congratulations. You jammed three questions into one. So, we'll try and hit on each one of those. Relative to stocking, no. This is strong growth. We're seeing an increase in number of accounts. It was a strong account growth quarter for us in our pain management franchise. Cryosphere Max is now just about 75% of The US pain management revenue.

29:26 So, seeing, you know, continued strong adoption there. John, what was your third question?

29:35 Sorry, it's on reimbursement. It's just if you still are pursuing in The United States additional reimbursement for the product, or do you think you still need to have that, just given the growth that you're seeing so far? Well, fortunately, we've seen is that, the results themselves speak for themselves. They see the immediate reaction afterwards. These patients are recovering more quickly. They're getting home faster. They're taking fewer drugs. So there, even though it costs more, that is definitely helping adoption just because the therapy itself works so well. That being said, we're definitely still considering and still trying to pursue reimbursement. The key there though is we need data. So we've supported many different trials,

30:14 not like IDE level trials, but a lot of investigator type lead trials both in The US and in Europe to demonstrate the value of it both from a patient standpoint, but also from an economic standpoint to the system because that's what you need for reimbursement around the world and in The US. And so we have a lot of those studies going on right now. Much like cardiac surgery, this is going to take many years to kind of develop that, get it peer reviewed, get it published. And then from there eventually get some sort of reimbursement specifically for it. But at this point, right now, it is not reimbursed in The U. S. And it's because just of the great results that the surgeons see in their patients. Awesome. Thanks. And I'll try to ask a follow-up. I'll only ask one question here. Just an update on the PSA and COMPASS clamp timeline. Do you still expect to begin trial in that next year? Thanks again.

31:03 We do, yes. We've done our first in human in Australia. Now we're moving to doing more human work in Europe, which will be starting that very shortly. And then we'll be submitting for IDE either later this year or early next year to start a trial sometime by the end of next year. Thanks. Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Lily Lazada with JPMorgan. Your line is open. Great. Thanks for taking the question. One on the general market and procedure environment. We've heard different commentary from some of your peers around the health of procedure volumes in the second quarter. So I'm curious what you've been seeing on your end and if there's been any disruption from declining ACA and Medicaid enrollments.

31:52 We have not seen that in our end markets. But if you think about our end markets, Lilly, many of them are not elected procedures. They're usually procedures that have to get done and if you delay them, then the patient's gonna be worse off. Cardiac surgery and lung cancer, which are probably the two primary areas that you see it. Or an amputation when you've got a sickness there. Those are these are all areas that you can't really wait. Those surgery volumes, they don't necessarily grow at fifty percent per year, but they also they grow consistently. And like obviously with the patient population getting much older and the baby boomers hitting on that front, we are not seeing that in our very specific market opportunity that is in front of us. Got it. That's helpful. And then a follow-up on the profitability and gross margin piece. I know some of that is a function of the geographic mix with the international business a bit softer the last few quarters, but I'm hoping you could parse out how much of that is one time mix benefit

32:51 versus underlying improvement. Once the geographic mix normalizes, do you think we go back to the 75% range that you were hovering around for some time? Or do you think you've broken out of that range on a more sustainable basis? Thanks so much. Lily, I think the good news here is I think we're this is kind of a breakout moment for us, because the strength is largely coming from the product mix. So, the newer product introductions and the fact that they continue to grow as a percentage of each category revenue, specifically our Cryosphere MAX, and then the Mini Clips. We've also done some work relative to our Encompass clamp. I think we had talked about this a year or two ago, trying to streamline the manufacturing and lean out costs in that particular product, and you're seeing the benefit there. So, the majority of the improvement, and maybe to put a finer point on this, the majority of the improvement is coming from product mix that we think is sustainable.

33:49 Great. Thank you. Thank you. Please stand by for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Mike Matson with Needham and Company. Your line is open. Yes, thanks. So just starting with the box new AF trial, it's great to hear that it's running ahead of expectations in terms of the timing. I guess once the data is available, what's sort of the next step? I imagine you'll be submitting to the FDA and can you remind us whether it's five ten or PMA and what sort of timing you'd expect in terms of getting labeling

34:28 for post op AF? Yeah, so good questions, Mike. So the timing of it is, there are two endpoints, a reminder in this trial. There are two endpoints on that and we can win on both. The first one is the post op AFib, which we'll be able to once the final patient's enrolled, thirty days after that we'll have that final endpoint on it. So then we have to obviously adjudicate the data and go through all of that. Very shortly thereafter, we would imagine doing some sort of late breaker at one of the major society meetings next year. Likely either STS or most likely it's gonna be double ATS in May. And then from that, we would hope that there would obviously be a lot of fanfare relative to the data.

35:14 And we would then submit to the FDA probably simultaneously so that we can then get an approval after that. This is a PMA product though, and that actually is a super important distinction because that is very unique in terms of the labeling aspect of it. The fact that it was a randomized data done on this trial. And so that is going to be a very distinct differentiator for us for many years to come. As I mentioned, nobody else is doing or even attempting to do trials or a trial like this for this patient population, which is enormous and really expands the TAM quite dramatically. So that's kind of the timeline. Likely after you submit to the FDA, it's probably about a year before you get an approval on that. But the data will already be out there mid year next year.

36:02 Okay. All right. And then just one financial one, I guess, probably for Angie. So really strong cash generation in the quarter. Any kind of one offs? I mean, was working capital really down for some reason or something or? No, I would say nothing unusual in the quarter. Okay, great. Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Danny Steuter with Citizens. Your line is open. Yeah, great. Thanks. Just my first one, just following up on some of the CrowdStrike Max questions. Could you give us any color on how utilization at existing accounts has evolved?

36:49 Noted you're starting to see some of these accounts going deeper and driving more penetration. But just at this point, what does a typical active user look like in terms of volume and revenue per month or quarter? And where do you see this peaking? Thank you. Yeah, I think the trend that we tend to see in our pain management customers is starting with one surgeon, you know, kind of convincing them, I'd say, showing them the value that pain management brings to their procedures, and they start to expand, you know, even beyond just kind of the initial procedure that they thought I think our team in the field spends a lot of time on it doesn't just have to be this profile of the patient, you know, think about each one of your procedures where this can matter. So, it tends to get a broader thoracic pole.

37:38 And then the team would look at that specific account and say, Look, what are the other surgeons in the in your account doing? So, what are your surgeon peers doing, and start to broaden use there? So, I'd say that's what kind of the demographic looks like overall. We ended the quarter with our pain management business, having about a little over 700 active accounts. I think it would tell you with the growth in the accounts, you know, given the metrics that we've said before, that we're adding accounts, but that we're also becoming more productive each quarter with our existing account base. Great. Appreciate that. And then just one follow-up. Just could you remind us on your early goals or expectations for Cryo XT? Do you have a specific number of target accounts or surges in mind for this year?

38:24 And then could you remind us of any plans to hire dedicated sales reps and the progress there? How many have you done if you have? And then any goals for end of this year or into next year? Thank you. As a refresher on our launch plans, we wanted each of our dedicated pain management reps. So existing field reps to target an existing account where pain management, there was at least a surgeon who was already doing incorporating Cryo Nerve Block into their procedures, and then extend that to the surgeon who did, you know, predominantly the amputations. Typically, this is a vascular surgeon. I'd say, in terms of our total rep count here, at least half of them have been successful in the first six months of the year, which we think is great progress towards the launch at this point in time.

39:13 To your second question, we have debt hire dedicated extremity reps really focused within an area of our business. So, within each of the areas of our pain management business, collecting the experiences amongst the reps and helping start to supercharge the results. I'd say one of the earliest roles that we filled in this case, it's proving that this model works incredibly well. So, we are expanding those field positions as we enter into the second half of the year. Great. Thank you for the questions. Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Keith Hinton with Freedom Capital Markets. Your line is open. Great. Thank you. Two questions from me, starting off with VOXONE OAF.

40:00 Can you just remind us how you guys view the bar for success here on the 30 endpoint, both in terms of how the trial is powered? And if it's different, what you would consider to be clinically meaningful? Yeah, the differential is a 10% absolute differential between the two different arms on the trial. And we anticipate that that is going to be clinically meaningful in the trial. What we saw in some of, if you look up the data on it and you look at the different trials that have been done in the past, they showed anywhere between a much larger differential than that. I'd say the two primary ones and most recent, Doctor. Willakis had done a trial that he showed where he randomized fiftyfifty in terms of the two different arms.

40:47 From that he saw fifty five percent post op AFib in the arm that was not treated, and he saw less than ten percent in the other arm. And then we also have other data that is similar to that, that shows a dramatic decrease on that front. We don't need to be that high to actually, quite frankly, win the trial on that initial piece of that. And so interesting enough, the trial is powered, the 1,000 patients in the trial are actually powered more for the secondary endpoint, which is the three year follow-up and the reduction of AFib clinically on that front to get some sort of differential between that. So the powering is like almost you're not overpowered, but you're very well powered on the initial post op AFib one because you can see the huge differentials in some of the trials that we looked at. That's great. Thanks. And next question is on SG and A. Can you just provide a little bit of color on the current sales force expansion and the expectations for overall SG and A spend this year? And then kind of looking out a couple of years without asking for specific guidance, just how we should think about further sales force expansion and SG and A growth, assuming that Box No AF is positive on that thirty day endpoint and that you would be hopefully launching that presumably in kind of the front half of '28?

42:14 Yes, so from an SG and A standpoint, from a modeling perspective, I would guide you to kind of mid to upper single digits, that kind of a range of growth and expense year over year. So, growing well below kind of top line growth in the SG category. From a field front, Mike talked about over 500 commercial as well as professional education folks in The United States at this point in time. About three fifty of that is current field size. Majority of those individuals are in our Cardiac Surgery Sales team. We also have a very robust about 100 folks in our Cryo Nerve Block team. And in terms of expansion in Cryo Nerve Block, we continue to add on roles. We're seeing great and incredible growth, and we're continuing to expand roles both from a rep and a clinical front, making sure that we've got good case coverage.

43:07 On our cardiac surgery side, I would say focus a little bit more at this point in time on the clinical roles. But as we anticipate the box, X, no AF launch, we're taking a close look at territory sizes and looking at the field force that we've got in place. The great thing about box, X, no AF is we are talking about existing surgeon customers, existing accounts using existing products. So, we've got a ready made field force, but we want to make sure that we are in a great position to be able to attack this opportunity. And we'll look at in the future expanding size of the sales team there. I don't think it looks like the pace of growth in SG and A that you may have seen out of AtriCure, if you go back four or five years preparing for other launches here. I think given just the sheer size of the sales team we have today, but we are looking to continue to fund kind of growth opportunities and Boxx and OAF is an incredible one for us.

43:59 Excellent. Thank you so much. Thank you. Our next question stand by. Our next question comes from the line of Suraj Kalia with Oppenheimer. Your line is open. Hi, this is Seamus on for Suraj. Thank you for taking our questions. I know you touched on stocking for pain management, but I guess how should we think about utilization, like actual procedures versus inventory dynamics for some of the other segments? And then within surgical LAC, are you seeing any slowdown similar to endovascular? Yeah, the stocking comment Seamus, I think applies pretty much across our business, of course, with distributors, inherently their ordering patterns are a bit more of stocking, but there wasn't anything unusual that we saw in the second quarter from that front. So, I'd say across each of our categories, that they're not a stocking issue there.

44:55 And from an appendage management side aren't seeing a slowdown in utilization there. Got it. Appreciate it. And then just looking at pain management, can you guys help us kind of understand what percentage of procedures are related to, I guess, cardiac ablation for other kind of areas where you're getting it and then just any respective growth rates, you can kind of see where you may be seeing kind of more growth in one bucket versus another? Thank you again. Yeah, I get that the majority of our pain management revenue is attached to thoracic procedures. We are seeing a growing percentage. I wouldn't say that we're in double digits in terms of we haven't reached 10% of the revenue being in sternotomy or in amputations at this point in time. But those are both areas that are showing growth. It's off of large numbers, but the majority of the procedures and pain management really are still in a thoracic setting.

45:52 Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, I'm showing no further questions in the queue. I would now like to turn the call back over to Mike Kerr for closing remarks. Great. Again, thank you everybody for joining us today. We look forward to having a great Q3 and talking to you again in October. Have a wonderful evening. Bye now. This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.