Air Canada (TSX:AC) Q3 2026 Earnings Call

0:00 Good evening, ladies and gentlemen, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to Air Canada's third quarter 2026 earnings conference call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speaker's remarks, there will be a question and answer session. I would now like to turn the call over to Amanda Murray, Vice President of Financial Planning, Strategy, and Investor Relations. Amanda, please go ahead. Thank you, Krista.

0:30 Hello, bonjour, et bienvenue à notre revue des résultats du troisième trimestre 20-26. Welcome to Air Canada's third quarter 2026 earnings call. Thank you for joining us today. With me today are John Di Bert, our Chief Financial Officer, and Marc Galardo, our Chief Commercial Officer and President of Cargo. Other members of our executive team are also here for the Q&A. Rob Phipe, who represents the Board of Directors, is with us as well. Before we begin, a reminder that today's discussion may contain forward-looking information about Air Canada's outlook, objectives, and strategy. Actual results could differ materially due to various assumptions, risks, and uncertainties. Please refer to our Q3 2026 earnings release, our 2025 annual MD&A, our third quarter 2026 MD&A, and other filings available on aircanada.com and on CDARclass. With that, I'll turn the call over to John.

1:31 Thank you, Amanda, and good evening, everyone. Bonjour à tous. I'll start with the headline. This quarter showed the resilience of Air Canada. Strong commercial execution delivered solid results despite higher fuel costs. Operating revenues grew 21% to $7 billion, with passenger revenues growing at the same rate. Even taking into account last year's labor disruption in Q3, this quarter showed the strength of our commercial strategy. Almost 6% more capacity, an 89% load factor of nearly 3 percentage points, and yields up 11% year-over-year. So, more seats, fuller planes, and higher fares. That translated into adjusted EBIT of $936 million, essentially in line with last year while absorbing a $906 million of higher fuel costs driven by 68% higher fuel prices year over year.

2:25 Adjusted EBITDA margin of 13.4% declined from 16.6% last year. I want to thank our employees who delivered a safe, consistent, and caring service to our customers over a very busy summer period. Their focus and professionalism are what turn our plans into results, quarter after quarter. Our recent recognition as the best airline in North America at the 2026 SkyTrack World Airline Awards, the tenth time we've received this honor since 2010, reinforces the strength of our offering and our commitment to our customers. Allow me to step back from the quarter for a moment. Over the last couple of years, we have made meaningful progress in strengthening Air Canada. We've reduced leverage, further strengthened our balance sheet and substantially lowered our share count. We have also built on our solid commercial foundations and reached new agreements with all employee groups.

3:37 The scale of our hubs, the breadth of our global network, premium products and the strength of our plan give us differentiated customer proposition and support more diversified revenue streams. Together, these achievements give us resilience and financial flexibility to keep investing in our fleet, network, our customer experience, and our people, while creating lasting value for our customers, employees, and our shareholders. We are building a stronger, more resilient airline focused on structural and sustainable value creation. Marc will begin with our commercial performance, and I'll follow with our financial results and outlook before we open the lines for questions. Marc, over to you.

4:20 Thank you, John, and good evening, everyone. Bonjour à tous. J'aimerais d'abord remercier nos employés et nos clients. I'd like to start by thanking our employees for their continued focus on operational excellence and our customers whose loyalty we greatly appreciate. Our third quarter results represent another consecutive quarter of record revenue for Air Canada and validate the continued resilience of our commercial model. They demonstrate the strength of our foundation and the importance of our diversified revenue streams our far reaching global network in our higher yielding customer segments. Q3 operating revenues and passenger revenues reached a record $7 billion and $6.3 billion respectively, both up 21% year over year.

5:05 Importantly, for the first time in our history, all months of the third quarter produced passenger revenues above $2 billion. Both total and passenger unit revenues increased 14% year over year. With more than a third of our quarterly sales made before April 1st, passenger unit revenues increased the most in our North American markets. And this is where a closer booking window enabled us to better reflect higher fuel prices at the time of booking. On almost 6% more system capacity, we capitalized on persistent demand strength to deliver leading load factor performance amongst North American peers in this more leisure-oriented period. Today, our hubs are some of the best connected international gateways in North America. Leveraging this scale, our six freedom revenues were up 16% year-over-year, despite the longer booking window, driven by a stronger year-over-year performance on the Pacific and LATAM corridors.

6:00 Turning to our customer segments, Air Canada remains well-positioned to capture premium demand, and premium cabin revenues increased 19% year-over-year. Even in the summer period, corporate revenues performed well, up 22%. A core strength of Air Canada's commercial strategy is our ability to offer a competitive product for every type of customer with a value proposition no other Canadian airline offers. The breadth of our global network, our premium products, and Aeroplan. Aeroplan continues to play an important role in our commercial ecosystem, especially in premium segments, and rewards our customers for their loyalty and engagement with us and our partners. Our customers consistently engage strongly with third-party gross billings collected year-to-date, totaling $1.6 billion, an 11.5% increase year-over-year. These billings represent amounts charged to Aeroplan program partners for points issued.

6:58 Lastly, cargo revenues grew 33% year-over-year, driven by higher yields and fareable free pricing, while other revenues increased 11% on higher air candle vacation ground package revenues and higher Aeroplan non-air revenues. Looking ahead, Revenue quality continues to strengthen as our pricing actions increasingly reflect higher fuel costs. However, given the timing of the recent fuel increase and the booking curve, we do not expect to fully recover the incremental cost in the fourth quarter. For Q4 at this point, we are seeing sustained yield strength with load factors broadly flat year over year. For context, this is against a very strong fourth quarter last year when we reported record profitability and Q4 Prasm Growth versus 2024.

7:47 Beyond that, we are actively reviewing capacity and revenue against conservative forward fuel expectations. To date, we have proactively removed more than two points of planned capacity from the first quarter of 2027 and we will continue to proactively adjust capacity and fares to protect margins over the course of the year. Winter demand remains resilient across most geographies, despite some pressure in the domestic market. Air Canada vacations bookings are an important barometer of leisure demand, and we're encouraged that early bookings for sun markets are outpacing capacity growth and generating stronger revenues. Our new international routes are booking well, and we are pleased with the initial results of our Airbus A321XLR.

8:34 This aircraft has a fuel burn per ASM below comparable widebodies, which is a real advantage in this current fuel environment. Supporting a better supply-demand balance in these markets, the XLR is delivering a more favorable margin profile than other aircraft types on comparable routes. As always, we retain the flexibility to allocate aircraft and capacity to areas of strength and mitigate our exposure to less favorable conditions. As we move into the shoulder months, an important part of our commercial strategy is reshaping our seasonality around less commoditized periods. This is where demand from premium and corporate customers is strongest and where our structural advantages matter most. And as that demands strength in the shoulder period, we continue to adapt our schedule and commercial strategies to capture the growing opportunities in spring and fall.

9:25 More broadly, we continue to accelerate a number of core commercial priorities to support revenue generation into 2027. We've enhanced our offering with more preferred seats in our high-density 777s and the launch of branded fares in premium cabins. In late August, we unveiled our new summer 2027 routes, generating considerable excitement amongst our customers and Aeroplane members. And earlier this month, we launched Embark, our platform for small and medium-sized businesses, which are the bedrock of the Canadian economy. To close, The third quarter was another quarter of solid commercial performance against a volatile backdrop and another validation of the resilience of our commercial platform.

10:11 We have the agility and flexibility to manage through a volatile environment and are confident in the opportunities ahead. We remain focused on leveraging our structural advantages as we execute on our 2027 plan. Thank you. Merci. Over to you, John.

10:27 Thank you, Marc. Third quarter adjusted EBITDA was $936 million. for an adjusted EBITDA margin of 13.4%. These results demonstrate the underlying strength and the resilience of our business. They were achieved despite fuel prices being significantly higher than we had originally planned and reflect the actions we took throughout the year to improve fuel recovery through pricing and capacity management. Let me provide some additional context. Mark already discussed our solid commercial performance driving a 21% increase in revenue. Operating expenses were 22% higher than in the third quarter of 2025, driven by a $906 million increase in fuel expense, which was driven by a 68% year-over-year rise in fuel price per litre.

11:16 At our Q2 call, our Q3 assumption for fuel was $1.38 Canadian per litre, or $3.70 US per gallon. Our actual fuel price averaged $1.48 Canadian per litre in the quarter. Approximately $4 US a gallon. That's an intra-corridor $140 million headwind and includes the benefits of fuel hedging gains at $22 million in Q3. In all, we recovered 46% of incremental fuel expense, below our original expectation of 60%, primarily due to the significant increase in fuel prices experienced in September. We expect our recovery rate to improve to 70% in Q4. Fuel recovery remains a question of timing, not demand.

12:04 When fuel spiked in September, approximately 50% of our fourth quarter bookings had already been sold, creating a natural lag before our pricing actions could be fully reflected in fares. Our commercial actions continue to offset a meaningful portion of higher fuel costs, and our recovery rate will grow as those actions work through the booking curve. Our objective remains to achieve full fuel recapture over time. While fare increases remain the primary tool to offset a higher fuel environment, we will also pace our growth to protect unit revenues and margins through 2027. Turning to costs, unit cost performance is broadly in line with our expectations. Adjusted chasm increased 3.3% to 14.45 cents. The increase mainly reflected higher labor costs, higher sales and distribution expense, and higher depreciation as new aircraft entered service.

12:58 This was partially offset by the lower other operating expenses and our 6% capacity growth. With new four-year agreements concluded with IAM and Unifor, the labor agreement reset cycle is now largely reflected in our cost structure, allowing us to focus on productivity and cost containment initiatives as we grow the airline. Unit cost performance in the quarter was also favorably impacted by the timing of maintenance and other costs, which we expect will materialize in Q4. Below the operating line, adjusted pre-tax income was $328 million. Adjusted net income attributable to shareholders of Air Canada was $214 million, and adjusted diluted EPS was $0.75.

13:46 Turning to cash generation, third quarter free cash flow usage was $440 million, largely reflecting lower operating cash flow, including the seasonal unwind of advance ticket sales and higher capital expenditures. Year-to-date, we have generated $1.3 billion in positive free cash flow, including approximately $500 million in proceeds from sale and leaseback transactions. To return to our balance sheet, we ended the quarter with net leverage of 1.3 times, comfortably below our target of two times or less. Our liquidity was $8 billion at the end of Q3, a healthy 32% of trailing 12-month revenues. Our capital allocation priorities remain unchanged.

14:31 Maintain financial strength and flexibility, invest in the airline, and return excess capital to shareholders. Our financial flexibility is a pillar of our resilience and a true competitive advantage. That strength matters amid volatility and enables us to look through near-term pressure on earnings when assessing leverage. In August, we used the proceeds from the Aeroplan transaction to repay a $1.2 billion U.S. bond maturity. As a result, we have no material corporate debt maturities until April 2028. Turning to investments in the airline, fleet capex will step up through the end of 2026 and into 2027 as deliveries ramp up.

15:21 New aircraft improve our customer value proposition, open network opportunities, deliver efficiencies and lower our unit costs over time. The A321XLR is an early example. On a comparable transatlantic stage lane, it is burning roughly 15 to 20% less fuel per ASM than a wide-body aircraft on a comparable route. This is meaningful in any environment, but it matters even more in this current fuel environment. Scheduled aircraft deliveries in the fourth quarter include six A321XLRs, our first two 787-10s and seven A220s. We expect these aircrafts to generate attractive returns and support long-term value creation.

16:08 Finally, consistent with the commitments we made at our investor day, we returned capital to shareholders through the completion of an $800 million substantial issuer bid in September. The transaction reduced our shares outstanding by approximately 10%, 252.7 million shares Outstanding as of September 30, 2026. It's our lowest share count since 2009 and well below our 2028 target of under 300 million shares, two years ahead of schedule. We do plan to renew our NCIB program in November, but will remain opportunistic in repurchasing shares. Now let's turn to the output. For the rest of 2026, our commercial trends remain strong, and we expect them to extend into the winter season. We have narrowed our capacity and our cost ranges to reflect limited variability in the fourth quarter, while keeping room for fuel volatility.

17:05 Fuel remains the largest variable in our output. At this time of year, we anticipate about one half of our Q4 fuel needs to be exposed to the fuel price volatility. We are planning for a Q4 all-in fuel price of $1.72 Canadian per liter, or about $4.60 US per gallon. compared to $1.29 Canadian per liter or $3.50 US per gallon in our August outlook. This higher fuel assumption is the principal change for our full-year outlook and is driving the adjustment to our expected profitability and cash generation. We now expect full-year ESM growth of approximately 2.75% aligned with the midpoint of our prior guidance.

17:51 We expect adjusted chasm to increase 5.5% to 6% versus 2025. While the timing of certain costs has shifted from Q3 to Q4, affecting the year-over-year comparison, we continue to expect adjusted chasm growth to be lower in the second half of 2026 than in the first half. Over time, we expect our fleet renewal and the benefits of scale to support decelerating our unit cost trajectory. We expect adjusted EBITDA to be between $2.4 and $2.7 billion, which is approximately $500 million below prior guidance at the midpoint. The change reflects our higher fuel assumptions for the fourth quarter.

18:37 We now expect break-even free cash flow plus or minus $150 million compared with our prior guidance range of $200 to $500 million. Year-to-date, we have generated $1.3 billion of free cash flow. Our guidance continues to assume approximately $1 billion of sale-leaseback transactions in 2026, which is supported by signed definitive agreements. Though we are not yet providing guidance for 2027, we are planning for fuel to stay elevated. On that basis, we still expect to reach pre-pandemic capacity levels, but we are carefully reviewing the pace of capacity growth to protect unit revenues. Our diversified earnings streams, our strong balance sheet, and our financial flexibility support our long-term strategy, and they give us confidence in our ability to execute as we head into 2027. We remain well-positioned to play both offense and defense.

19:40 To conclude, our priorities are clear and unchanged. One, manage their controllables, including commercial actions, capacity, cost, and operational performance. Two, protect our margins, returns, and cash generation while maintaining the strength of our balance sheet. And third, continue advancing the value creation framework we set out in New Frontiers. With that, back to Amanda for questions.

20:09 Thank you, John. Krista, please open the line for questions from analysts. Thank you. If you would like to ask a question, please press star followed by the number one on your telephone keypad to raise your hand and join the queue. And if you would like to withdraw your question, again press star one. We do kindly ask that you limit yourself to one question and one follow-up. For any additional questions, please re-queue. And your first question comes from Connor Gupta with Scotiabank. Please go ahead. Thanks and good afternoon. My first question, I guess, is on the fuel here. So, I mean, it's understandable that the fuel prices have run up a lot. So the fuel recovery rate has to come down in Q4.

20:56 But can you help us understand some of the moving parts in that fuel absorption rate, John? I mean, what kind of fares are you are underwriting these days on fuel price and are you expecting the fuel price to kind of taper off from here or this is an ongoing assumption for the next, call it six months as well?

21:23 Yeah, good evening, Conor. I think, you know, first and foremost, we take the world as it is, right? So you've got fuel running in the 170 to 180 range pretty constantly right now. So Our posture is that that is with us for at least the foreseeable future. We had expectations of $140 to $145 fuel pricing recovery as we went into the quarter. We had a spike, so we'll be looking to continue to push pricing actions in, particularly as we look into Q1. And with respect to fuel prices, We won't make any speculation other than the fact of taking the world as it is today. Maybe Marc has some comments on the pricing environment.

22:11 Good evening, Conor. It took us several weeks, if not months, to level up in the fall with fuel prices that were closer to $1.40, $1.50 a litre. Going into Q4, had fuel stayed at that level, we would have covered most of the incremental fuel bills, not all. However, since kind of early fall, it's run up to $1.70, $1.80 and then moved up pretty quickly. So, you know, at this point in time, certainly we are trying to push further increases in market, but it will take some time before the market fully levels up with where the fuel price is today. Okay, that's a great call. Thanks. And then maybe on the trans-border side, while I have you, Mark, you know, the market seems to be in a structural decline here for some time. Do you guys expect, or are you guys, I would say, building capacity again in anticipation of demand coming back potentially, or are you just playing on a spot basis?

23:14 So, Conor, if you look at our Q3 results on Transborder, they were excellent. Our revenue growth was quite good. Our yields were quite solid, and our six freedom continues to grow. On Transborder, you've got a couple of structural tailwinds that are helping us. One, the strength of the U.S. dollar. Secondly, we've got a pretty favorable supply-demand balance. And the profitability levels that we're enjoying on the U.S. market right now, the margins are slightly higher than they are on domestic. And as I look forward, I see much of the same for Q4 and for Q1. So I've got no reason right now to be concerned about the state of the transborder market. Okay, thanks for the time. Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Atul Maswari with UBS.

24:03 Please go ahead. Good evening. Thanks a lot for taking my question. Can you maybe double click on the portion that you mentioned about fourth quarter bookings? Could you give us some sense of what kind of trends you're seeing by various geographies and then any color on how early 1Q bookings are shaking out would be helpful.

24:27 Sure. So what you're going to see overall right now for the fourth quarter is load factors are generally flat year over year. As I mentioned in my script, our fuel recovery and therefore yields are higher in North America because the booking window is much closer in, whereas the international typically books further out. So given that backdrop, we should expect that North America has the highest yields with obviously flat load factors year over year and international trailing a little bit. Your next question comes from the line of Sadi Shalman with BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

25:11 Yeah, thank you. Mark, I just want to come back to the demand resiliency. As you look at the progression month to month since the fuel started to kind of rise materially in late August and kind of into the fall period, Have you not seen impact from a load factor perspective? I guess you've called out Q4 flat load factor, but we've seen much stronger performance before that. Are you starting to see any resistance on the demand side? I'm just trying to think if you're going to next year and your plan to grow capacity, how should we be thinking about The market's ability to kind of absorb what you have planned from a capacity perspective, given where fuel prices are today.

26:00 Yeah, thanks, Fatih. So obviously, we saw a very strong end of Q3 with September and October, which I've called out previously being quite strong. The demand overall from within Canada still remains relatively stable, kind of up a little bit. What we've seen is the growth rate is decelerating a little bit, whereas in prior quarters we would have seen market demand growth between 4% or 5%. We're now seeing demand market growth between 2% and 3%. But certainly what's helping us is how diversified our network is. Certainly the six freedom portion of our network is also helping as we're tapping into new traffic sources. So that's kind of helping us offset a little bit.

26:45 Going into Q1, much of the same. Our current booking posture for Q1 has flat load factor build so far. Okay, I appreciate it. Your next question comes from the line of Savvy Sight with Raymond James. Please go ahead. Hey, good afternoon.

27:09 I know you're not kind of ready to talk about capacity growth for next year, but if I look at your fleet plan, just overall seats are growing high single digits. And it sounds from your commentary that you might be if fuel prices stay high, maybe in that kind of low to mid single digit range, probably capacity growth. But I'm curious on how you achieve that and then what we should think about in terms of the impact on unit cost as a result of that.

27:41 Savi, we're looking at a bunch of scenarios right now in terms of flexibility and agility of how we deploy capacity. Our focus right now is really the first half of 27 because that's where we anticipate that fuel prices will continue to be relatively high.

27:56 So we've removed two points out of Q1.

27:59 We are looking at, you know, the more marginal flying reductions. So that would be midweek cancellations on certain routes. We're going to be looking at, you know, reducing utilization somewhat. And as you can see by the suspension of our Singapore route, we're also kind of reevaluating the ultra long haul part of our business as that's a bit more exposed to the higher fuel prices. So right now we're still very much contemplating a variety of scenarios. What we can say definitively is for Q1, we've removed two points of capacity and we'll leave it there.

28:30 and maybe just I'll take the back end of your question on CASM. So we have a five and a half to six percent range for 2026 on CASM growth year over year. Yes, for sure. Had we had the higher single digit capacity growth in 2027, we would have been expecting, you know, a very favorable impact to CASM. I still think that, you know, as we get through the plan cycle here, we'll we'll see the benefits of a newer aircraft. Thank you for joining us.

29:29 Curious what you're seeing on the corporate side and if maybe some of that flowing, is that more leisure and being kind of more price sensitive? Just curious how corporate is doing here.

29:39 No, corporate continues to evolve very favorably. Into Q4, it's all double digits kind of in line with Q3. Got it. Perfect. Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of James McGargurl with RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

30:02 Hey, thanks for having me on. I just had a one quick follow-up here on that capacity planning on 2027. So just to confirm, would you be deferring any of your new planes or potentially retiring any of the old ones? I just want to make sure I'm modeling any adjustments to potentially CapEx or free cash flow correctly into 2027.

30:24 Yeah, so for 27, I think the new fleet remains an advantage in the sense that they are more cost-effective, more fuel-efficient, and they'll provide better service and even some premiumization. So, I think we'll be looking more at utilization on the older fleet, and as Marc said, reducing some of the marginal flying. At the same time, utilization on older aircraft or aircraft that need specific high-cost maintenance. So we'll try to balance all of that. No significant change in the expectation, other than as every year has been for the last couple of years, there'll be some movement with delivery schedules and timing, but we'll deal with that as it comes.

31:12 And just in terms of your balance sheet, obviously it's in really good shape right now. Can you just give us an update on how you guys are thinking about capital allocation into Q4 and into 2027? And I'll turn the line over after that. Thank you.

31:27 Yeah, I think, thank you. We've been very consistent with capital allocation. First and foremost, we work to protect the balance sheet. Work that we did in Q3 is further proof of that. We have no maturities through April 2028. So that's in good shape, high liquidity relative to last 12 months of revenue, over 30%. So it gives us a lot of flexibility. We're going into a capping cycle. That's been kind of planned and telegraphed for a long time now. And that starts with quite a few deliveries in Q4 and then through 2027. That will start to normalize past that in 28, 29. But for now, I think it's keep the balance sheet strong. So grow responsibly with that.

32:13 Invest in the airline so we can create the value of the platform for value creation for the long term, which we're confident continues to be our main objective here. And then thirdly, returning shareholder value. But I think on that one, we've achieved a lot, right? We're at 252 million shares outstanding. We feel very good about the share count. We've deployed now probably almost $2.5 billion of cash. over the last few years will be very opportunistic with the NCIB. And we'll see how, you know, how 27 evolves as well with fuel and cash flow. So all those things will be considered. Your next question comes from the line of Jamie Baker with JP Morgan.

33:00 Please go ahead.

33:03 Hey, good evening, everyone. I'm John. I got interrupted, so I'm hoping you didn't already address this, but a question on leverage. How do we think about the cadence of where leverage heads next? Obviously, next year is a bit intense from a CapEx perspective. You've got the buyback plans. You know, just kind of curious how you're, I guess, triangulating between leverage and your IG aspirations.

33:33 I think the math is going to be the math. We're going to have probably a couple of lighter quarters as we go through the higher fuel environment. If it stays as it is, we'll see as that moves through. But I think my comment would be through that, that we built the airline to be very resilient, strong liquidity. From an overall strength of the balance sheet, nothing changes. The math, obviously, given earnings and the pressure that comes from some of these spikes on fuel, Thank you for joining us. You know, cash generation and investment-grade opportunities as we kind of work through the next probably 12, 18 months.

34:35 Okay, that helps. And then second, you know, for Mark, and I'm sorry to, you know, beat a dead horse here on fuel recapture, and I realize the calculus might differ between airlines, but, you know, the 70% estimate for the fourth quarter is a little bit lighter than what we've heard from others. You know, you've got factors like, you know, the pace of domestic fare increases. You mentioned the booking curve in your prepared remarks. I guess my blunt question is whether there's any elasticity component baked into the 70% assumption. Any thoughts there? Thanks in advance.

35:12 Yeah, absolutely. Great question, Jamie. One of the items that differs between Eric Cannon and kind of our American peers is the composition of our network. We're almost 60-40 long haul to short haul. Our American peers are typically 30-70. And the close-in booking window for North America allows a higher recapture, just basic math. We have a much longer kind of tail for international long haul bookings. And as a result, once those bookings are in, it's hard to recapture because the bookings are made and we typically have a strong base of bookings basically two months out. That's really a contributing factor as to why our recapture rates are a little bit lower.

35:56 Okay. All right. That's perfect. Thank you very much. Your next question comes from the line of Cameron Dorkson with National Bank. Please go ahead.

36:08 Thanks. Good evening. And actually, I'll maybe follow up on that question just based on what you just described there as far as the recapture and where the booking curves are. If we assume that fuel prices kind of stay where they are into 2027, do you think you can fully recapture the price of fuel in Q1, or is that something we should think about more as kind of Q2 or later?

36:35 Cameron, it's hard to say. Right now, like I said earlier, it took about several months to get to a place where the market fully prices in fuel closer to about $1.50 a litre. and now the market has to readjust to $1.70, arguably $1.80 a litre and I can't say that the market's there just yet. So obviously we're going to aspire to getting ourselves there and have the highest possible recapture but we've yet to see the market fully price in the latest cost of fuel.

37:10 Okay, no, that's helpful and Just on capacity, you mentioned that you'd pulled about two points out of your Q1 plans. What are you seeing from competitive capacity? We've been trying to look at some of the Sun Destination plan capacity for this winter, and some of your competitors have got some pretty aggressive capacity plans, which seems there might be a challenge given where the price of fuel is. So what do you think of your competitors as they look into 2027 on the capacity plans that they have?

37:40 Yeah, if you look into Q1, there's a lot of capacity in the sun market. And obviously with Cuba no longer being a destination that one can travel to, capacity is being redistributed onto markets where maybe we were one of two players on the market, now there's a third or fourth player. So we see a little bit of pressure on the sun market. We're seeing a little bit of pressure on the Pacific as kind of the Chinese ramp up their post-pandemic capacity. But on the domestic market and trans-border, generally speaking, we're looking at low single-digit capacity growth.

38:19 Okay, that's helpful. Appreciate it. Your next question comes from the line of Daryl Young with Stiefel. Please go ahead.

38:28 Hey, good evening, everyone. Just wanted to ask on the transatlantic, nice to see a return to growth there. Wondering how much or I guess where you stand from a pricing standpoint to some of the international carriers and as hedge books roll off, is that going to be another opportunity for growth into 27 or how are you thinking about competition there?

38:51 Yeah, on the transatlantic again, one of the issues or one of the challenges of the transatlantic is again that lag between Thank you for joining us. We expect that to be transitory, but overall we see stable market demand.

39:37 Okay.

39:38 And then looking out to your 2028 targets with $30 billion of revenue, It seems like from a capacity perspective, you're going to be sort of behind the curve of where you were when you originally set that, but you've maintained that. Is that a function of pricing staying higher through your forecast period? Or how should we think about sort of a hockey stick of capacity coming back in 28?

40:01 I think that the capacity management we'll do for 2027 will be a function of the market we're in and how we work through that. We would expect to have eventually the full capacity of our fleet utilized appropriately. There's going to be obviously some pricing implications as well. We'll see where that lands. It's too early to tell now, but the pricing environment will be as we kind of get into 2028. I think overall the plan remains solid in the sense that we've executed a lot of the We need to see how the next six months develop, and then we'll look forward to see how 2028 kind of moves through. Most of the differences come from the adjustment we made from the 787-10 order. And, you know, besides that, it will be a question of deliveries and should they all come in when they need to come in.

41:02 We'll kind of tighten up against the ASMs for 2028 as we get closer to the year. Got it. Thanks very much. Your next question comes from the line of Andrew Daddoria with Bank of America. Please go ahead.

41:22 Hey, good evening, everyone. So, John, I was just trying to kind of understand this, the implied fourth quarter guide here. I mean, I think the chasm and fuel stuff, you know, it certainly makes sense. But just on revenues, I know it's been asked in other ways, but it's the way we are, you know, running our model. It seems like Rasm for 4Q, probably up high single digits, obviously a pretty decent decel from 3Q and even 2Q and kind of more in line with 1Q. Just curious, why would that be in this type of fuel and pricing environment? And then, Mark, any color on as you move into 4Q, what are some of the regions, geographies, or demand buckets that would drive that change?

42:09 Thanks, Andrew. I'll take the second part of the question. So going into Q4, we don't see RASM up high single digits. RASM won't be as strong as it was in Q3 because we're rolling over some comps, where last year in Q4, we had a record Q4 in terms of RASM performance. But certainly, you should anticipate that RASM will be in the double digit type environment. Again, as I stated before, the North America markets are more resilient. They've got a closer in booking market, which allows us to pass on more of the recapture than international long haul, which typically books 60, 90,120 days out. And typically, you know, 60 days out, you already have 70, 75% of the traffic already on the books.

42:59 So while we see yield accelerating in Q4, PRAZM will decelerate slightly from Q3 to Q4. but still be comfortably in the double digits.

43:09 Maybe, Andrew, I'll just add something if it helps. It may or may not, but absolute pricing in terms of levels of pricing from Q3 to Q4 are going to be pretty much where we expected them to be as we went through the conversation on our Q2 call. The difference really is we've burned probably about a billion, 300 million liters of fuel in Q4. The difference between 172 and the 129 per liter that we guided is over 40 cents. You kind of get a number right there. It's like in the mid 500s. If you look at the midpoint to midpoint, we're pretty much there. That's the number. September was also a headwind, offset some of that. If you add another 100 plus million for September, it'd be over $600 million of fuel pressure from the last time we provided guidance.

44:00 So the real issue is not necessarily on the revenue blinds. Yes, that's going to take some time to increase from here, but where we are is pretty much where we expect it to be. Where we're not is on the fuel number.

44:14 Okay, thank you for that. And then maybe, John, just as we think about unit costs heading into 2027, I know you don't want to guide that yet, but you clearly anniversary all of your labor agreements, back half of 26 is kind of up mid-single digits. Would you expect that to begin to bend down as we move into the first half of 27, given the way you think about capacity right now?

44:44 Yes, even with a little bit of a pareback here in terms We have to get through some additional work and just kind of work through the planning cycle, but expectations would still be that we would start to see some deceleration of the year-over-year increases. They've been in that 5% range for a few years now, and I'd expect to see a reduction in year-over-year cattle growth in 2027. Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Chris Murray with ATB. Please go ahead. Yeah, thanks folks. Maybe a different way to think about where the recovery is in terms of fuel. Where are you in the booking curves right now as we go into through Q4 and into Q1?

45:42 Can you give us some sense of idea what's left to book both internationally and domestically just I get to the volatility of fuel price. I'm trying to understand what might be already in there, what you have left to kind of catch up to. And if fuel prices move in your favor, you know, is there some recovery possible as we go further into the year?

46:04 Chris, I'll take that one. For Q4 right now, obviously October is behind us. But in general, for Q4, we're roughly about 80 odd percent of our bookings already on hand. Going into Q1, we've got roughly 30% of our bookings on hand. Like I said, load factor year over year is relatively flat. I'm not going to break it down North America International, just give you the headlines here, close to 30%. And like I said, we are trying to get the market to level with the actual fuel price. It will take some time for that to happen. Generally speaking, when you have a sudden fuel spike like this, carriers around the world are testing the elasticity of demand. And once they feel like you know certainly we've seen some inelastic behavior but once they feel that the elasticity is you know certainly on side they will float further increases in and that's basically where we are in terms of trying to level closer to $1.70.

47:02 The other question I had for you was on freight and cargo. With the higher fuel rates, I'm just trying to understand how much of that cargo business is tied into the passenger, how much is tied into dedicated freighter. I've noticed that you've got some new routes that you're trying to work into Europe right now. I'm just trying to get a sense of the growth rate, very strong in the quarter. Is that something that we should be expecting to continue for the next little while as even a natural offset to what's going on with fuel and how that pricing is proceeding?

47:42 Yeah, I mean, the cargo business is doing extremely well. Going into Q4, you should anticipate, again, much of the same, but the booking curve for cargo is so close in. and because it's so close in the recapture rates are very very high almost covering 100% of the incremental fuel price. We are expecting the strongest October on record for our cargo business much the same in November and if you kind of break it down you know wide body to kind of freighter you know you're looking almost 75% of the revenue being wide body belly the balance being the freighter but of course the wide body belly is fed by the freighters that are coming in from a variety of destinations in LATAM and now, you know, a new service to Amsterdam to help us take advantage of, you know, generally, there's a lot of tailwinds in the cargo market right now.

48:31 Okay. That's helpful. Thanks for us. Your next question comes from the line of Tom Fitzgerald with TD Cowen. Please go ahead.

48:42 Hi. Thanks very much for the time. Question on fixed freedom revenues. You mentioned earlier the new traffic sources you've been leaning into. I think a lot of that's like Latin America to APAC and EMEA. Could you just talk about what you're seeing there, how we should think about that portion of Six Freedom growing with a year of learning under your belt and as you guys optimize that into 27?

49:07 Yeah, this is an exciting part and a growth part of our business. Tom, we're really excited about what we see ahead. So for Q4 right now, revenue is closer to 20% up year over year on the Six Freedom side. Much of that is the LATAM to Europe and LATAM to Asia business that we saw momentum last year and we were doubling down this year and so far that's doing quite well. And as we look into that same dynamic into Q1, we see even further acceleration. So again, it's really a new accretive source of revenue, certainly helps us in preserving high load factors in the quarter.

49:43 Okay, okay, great to hear, really helpful. And just a quick accounting one on, maybe for John, just on Arrow Plan. If we just take the proceeds, in the filings for this quarter, that 570 that is running up about like 13% year over year, year to date up like 11.5%. Is that like low double digits, a safe run rate for proceeds if we kind of model up 27 and beyond and then just taking maybe like 10% of that for net income to then get to the minority share interest? Thanks again for the

50:16 time. Yeah, why don't we take that one off and you maybe with myself and Amanda, give us a call and walk you through.

50:25 Okay, okay, fair enough. Maybe I'll sneak in a follow-up then. Just on longer term, how do you think about the mix shaking out on Six Freedom between U.S. Six Freedom and then Latin America Six Freedom? Thanks again for the time.

50:40 Thank you. So like from a percentage perspective, certainly there's a lot more growth just as a function of how small the base is on LATAM. And that's why this summer we're extending service to Guatemala. We're extending service to Lima. We're going to be extending service to a bunch of cities in Mexico, all with the primary objective of growing the Six Freedom business to and from LATAM year round and consistently kind of over the years to come. We think that's a huge opportunity given our geography. We think we've got a right to win there. And so far, the execution suggests that that's exactly what's happening. So definitely an exciting growth part of the business. Your next question comes from the line of Jack Ewell with Jefferies.

51:27 Please go ahead.

51:29 Hey, this is Jack on for Sheila. I thought maybe just to drill in the customer types for a second. Last quarter, I believe, the main cabin RASM trailed premium by about three points. And I was wondering how that gap trended into Q3 and what bookings indicate for Q4. I just think the last quarter, it was encouraging to hear that main cabin was holding in despite the fare surge this year.

51:54 So Jack in Q3 is a bit of a tale of two seasons. In July and August, typically this is the low point for premium demand travel and yields. Then in September it comes roaring back and much the same for October. So we had relative parity between premium cabin and main cabin in Q3. It's in Q4 where we expect that to diverge.

52:20 Got it. That's very helpful. And then I guess maybe just to follow up on It's an obvious question from earlier. I know corporate revenue accelerated into the 20% range this quarter. It's reflecting continued very strong demand. I was wondering if you could talk about the trends by region across domestic and international, and if there's any sectors specifically driving this. Maybe my last question on it is just, has your introduction of the basic fare offering and premium helped boost corporate yields, as we'd assume that fare option is blocked by a lot of corporate travel teams?

52:54 So Jack, on the brand of ferrets, we rolled it out on the North Atlantic, but we haven't scaled it throughout our system yet. And we're barely into month two, so the results are still early. So we think there's a lot of promise here. And based on the proxy of our peers who've instituted similar products, we think there's a lot of potential here. But right now, too early to comment on the success of that. And from a total kind of geography split on corporate revenue, we're seeing Double-digit growth primarily in Canada and U.S. And the reason for that, again, is the same kind of phenomenon. This is a much closer booking-in window where you can price in higher recovery rates on fuel. Atlantic Corporate typically books a little bit further out, so those recovery rates are a little bit lower. But all three of those services are comfortably in the double digits in terms of increased revenue.

53:48 Got it. Thank you for the thoughts. And that concludes our question and answer session. Amanda, I'd like to turn it back over to you.

53:58 Thank you very much for joining us today. Should you have any questions, please reach out to myself or Ivan Zarate at Investor Relations. Thank you and have a nice evening. Ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude today's conference call. Thank you for your participation and you may now disconnect.