Aercap Holdings (NYSE:AER) Q2 2026 Earnings Call

0:00 Please standby. Good day and welcome to the AerCap Q2 twenty twenty six Financial Results Call. Today's conference is being recorded and a transcript will be available following the call on the company's website. At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Adi Padbo, Head of Investor Relations. Please go ahead. Thank you, operator, and hello, everyone. Welcome to AerCap's second quarter twenty twenty six conference call. With me today are our chief executive officer, Angus Kelly, and chief financial officer, Pete Youssef. Before we begin today's call, I would like to remind you that some statements that are made during this conference call, which are not historical facts, may be forward looking statements. Forward looking statements involve risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results or events to differ materially from those expressed or implied in our statements.

0:54 AerCap undertakes no obligation other than that imposed by law to publicly update or revise any forward looking statements to future events, information, or circumstances that arise after this call. Further information concerning issues that could materially affect performance can be found in AerCap's earnings release dated 07/29/2026. A copy of the earnings release and conference call presentation are available on our website at aercap.com. This call is open to the public and being webcast simultaneously at aircap.com and will be archived for replay. We will shortly run through our earnings presentation and allow time at the end for Q and A. As a reminder, I will ask that analysts limit themselves to one question and one follow-up.

1:43 I will now turn the call over to our CEO, Angus Kelly. Thank you for joining us for our second quarter twenty twenty six earnings call.

1:53 This was another strong quarter for AerCap as reflected in our financial results, disciplined capital deployment and increased full year guidance. AerCap's business maintained its momentum in the second quarter as highlighted by our transaction activity. The lease extension rate on passenger aircraft was 85%, well above the long term average. We also completed $1,400,000,000 of asset sales during the quarter, generating a gain on sale margin of 20%. These operational highlights reflect both the resilience of our business model and the continued benefit of the supply demand imbalance across our industry. Turning to our financial results, we delivered adjusted earnings per share of $5.14 in the second quarter, representing an adjusted return on equity of 18%.

2:51 We also generated $1,500,000,000 of cash flow from operations. This strong cash generation continues to create significant financial flexibility, enabling us to invest in long term accretive opportunities while also returning substantial capital to our shareholders. During the quarter, we repurchased more than $690,000,000 of our shares and over $1,400,000,000 in the first half of the year. In addition, we recently ordered 15 new Boeing seven eighty seven aircraft. This is a key highlight, which we will discuss in more detail later in the call. Reflecting our strong first half performance and positive outlook for the business, we are raising our full year earnings guidance to $16.80 per share, not including any additional gains on asset sales.

3:51 Our outlook is underpinned by a supportive industry backdrop. Let me spend a few minutes discussing the broader market environment. Recent geopolitical challenges have led to higher input costs for airlines and will no doubt put further pressure on airline margins this year. That said, it is expected that the global airline industry will remain healthy in 2026 in aggregate, supported by good travel demand, strong load factors, and disciplined capacity growth. While global traffic growth has moderated year over year, trends vary by region. The Middle East, Asia Pacific, and North America have experienced some weakness in daily flight activity, but Europe, Africa, and Latin America have continued to see growth.

4:44 Overall, the trends we are seeing highlight the resilience of travel demand and the industry's ability to adapt to changing market conditions. For AerCap, this backdrop remains highly supportive. Aircraft and engine availability remain constrained while airline demand continues to exceed supply. We see this reflected in our leasing activity, lease extensions and asset values. As a result, we remain confident in the long term outlook for AerCap and the aviation industry more broadly. The supply demand imbalance is particularly pronounced in the wide body market. Years of production shortages and delivery delays have constrained the availability of new wide body aircraft globally.

5:33 This is clear from the left hand side chart on slide four. Over the past five years, airlines have extended service lives of older wide body aircraft, resulting in over 200 fewer wide body retirements than in the comparable pre COVID period, as you can see on the right hand side of this slide. More recently, wide body production rates have begun to recover and we expect to see an increase in retirement activity among the oldest and least fuel efficient aircraft. This trend will likely continue as more new technology aircraft enter service. With a large number of aging wide bodies still in operation, this replacement cycle should support strong demand for wide body leasing for many years to come.

6:24 Against this backdrop, our order for 15 Boeing seven eighty seven aircraft reflects our conviction in the long term fundamentals of the wide body market. We believe the seven eighty seven is one of the most attractive widebody assets, combining favorable economics with a broad global customer base and strong secondary market liquidity. Importantly, delivery positions for new seven eighty seven aircraft remain extremely limited. AerCap's long standing relationship with Boeing, combined with their scale and ability to execute quickly, gives us a competitive advantage in securing scarce delivery positions. Our 787s will start delivering in 2030 and run through 2,033 at economics that support our long term return objectives.

7:19 Today, we not only have the largest seven eighty seven fleets, but also the largest seven eighty seven order book of any lessor And therefore, we are uniquely positioned to meet growing airline demand for next generation wide body aircraft. This strategic investment allows us to capitalize on a prolonged fleet renewal cycle while providing our customers with access to one of the most efficient and sought after aircraft types in the market. Turning to slide five. This investment is also a good example of the capital allocation framework that guides every decision we make. We continue to deploy capital with discipline and flexibility, directing it toward opportunities that we believe offer the most attractive long term risk adjusted returns while maintaining capacity to return capital to shareholders.

8:15 So far this year, we have added 131 aircraft to our order book, returned more than $1,500,000,000 to our shareholders through share repurchases and dividends, and still have approximately $3,500,000,000 of excess capital available to deploy.

8:34 In closing, AerCap delivered another strong quarter. Our global platform, consistent execution, disciplined capital allocation, and active portfolio management continue to position us to capitalize on opportunities across the market. And with that, I'll now hand the call over to Pete to review our financials. Thanks, Gus. Good morning, everyone. We delivered another strong quarter and I'll start reviewing our financial results on Slide six. Our GAAP net income for the second quarter was $726,000,000 or $4.59 per share. The impact of purchase accounting adjustments was $129,000,000 for the quarter or $0.82 per share.

9:20 That included lease premium amortization of $26,000,000 maintenance rights amortization of $36,000,000 related to maintenance revenue and maintenance rights amortization of $67,000,000 related to leasing expenses. During the second quarter, we had $28,000,000 of recoveries related to the Ukraine conflict or $0.18 per share. The net tax effect of all these items was $15,000,000 or $0.10 per share. As a result, our adjusted net income for the second quarter was $811,000,000 or $5.14 per share. That represents an adjusted ROE of 18% for the second quarter. Turning to Slide seven, I'll briefly go through the main drivers that affected our results.

10:09 Basic lease rents were $1,677,000,000 Maintenance revenues remained elevated this quarter at $177,000,000 Our net maintenance contribution, which is maintenance revenue less leasing expenses, after taking into account purchase accounting adjustments, was $131,000,000 this quarter. That's higher than usual due to the timing of maintenance revenue, transition expenses and claims. As I mentioned last quarter, net maintenance contribution has been higher than normal for the first half of this year, but we expect it to return to more normal levels in the second half of the year. Net gain on sale of assets was $223,000,000 for the second quarter.

10:54 The sales environment continued to be strong, and we sold 38 of our owned assets for total sales revenue of $1,400,000,000 That resulted in an unlevered gain on sale margin of 20% for the quarter, which is equivalent to a multiple of 1.7x book value on an equity basis. As of June 30, we had just over $400,000,000 worth of assets held for sale. Interest expense was $468,000,000 for the second quarter, and income tax expense was $123,000,000 reflecting an effective tax rate of 15.5%. Turning to Slide eight. Our liquidity position continues to be very strong. As of June 30, our total sources of liquidity were approximately $22,000,000,000 That includes just under $1,700,000,000 of cash, 10,000,000,000 of revolvers and $3,000,000,000 of other committed facilities, as well as estimated sales and operating cash flow.

11:56 Our sources to uses coverage ratio was 1.9x, which reflects excess cash coverage of around $10,000,000,000 Our leverage ratio at the end of June was 2.05:one, which is about the same as last quarter. Our operating cash flow was $1,500,000,000 for the quarter. And our secured debt to total assets ratio was 9%, which is in line with the record low level reported last quarter. Our average cost of debt was 4.2%. During the second quarter, we bought back 4,900,000 shares for a total of $691,000,000 Together with our repurchases in the first quarter, we repurchased over 6% of our shares outstanding at the beginning of this year.

12:44 Since 2023, we've bought back 93,000,000 shares or almost 40% of our outstanding shares for a total of $8,000,000,000 Turning to Slide nine. On our last earnings call in February, we projected adjusted earnings per share of $14.50 which included $1.50 of gains on sale from the first quarter. As Gus mentioned, today, we're raising our full year 2026 adjusted EPS guidance to approximately $16.80 We're increasing our estimated EPS excluding gains on sale to approximately $14 and we're also including the $2.80 of gains on sale from the first half of the year.

13:30 However, we have not included any gains on sale for the second half of the year.

13:35 In the first half, the drivers of the outperformance relative to guidance were gains on asset sales of $514,000,000 higher net maintenance contribution and other income. We've completed $2,800,000,000 of asset sales in the first six months of this year. And as a result, we currently expect asset sales for the full year 2026 to be in the range of 4,000,000,000 to $5,000,000,000

14:01 In closing, AerCap has continued its strong performance this quarter. We generated adjusted EPS of $5.14 and adjusted ROE of 18%. So far this year, we've returned over $1,000,000,000 to shareholders, and we've made significant additions to our forward orders with Airbus and Boeing as we continue to grow our fleet with new technology, fuel efficient aircraft. And today, we've once again raised our EPS guidance.

14:31 All of this indicates our confidence in the value of AerCap today and into the future. And with that, operator, we can open up the call for Q and A. Thank turned off to allow your signal to reach our equipment. In the interest of time, we ask that you please limit yourself to one question and

15:01 one follow-up. Again, press star one to ask a question, and we'll pause for just a moment to assemble the queue. We will take our first question from Jamie Baker with JPMorgan. Good afternoon, everybody. So Gus, question on the 85% extension rate. So what takes place with the other 15%?

15:27 Is that mostly made up of, I don't know, end of lease sales?

15:32 Is it part outs? Is it customer purchases? I'm just wondering, we all know how strong the environment is, but when a lease does not get extended in this market, just kind of wondering what the outcome is. How common is it that you take the asset back, paint it and release it? That sort of thing. Just concentrating on the 15%. Yeah. You're right, Jamie. It is generally quite rare that the aircraft would come back and be released. The odd time it will. But for the most part, they end up getting parted out. Okay. Just to be clear on that percentage, Jamie, so the way we calculate that is that's 85%. So of everything that is either going out on lease again to a new customer or being extended, that's the denominator.

16:18 So 85% extended, 15% re leased, and we've excluded aircraft that are being sold. Okay. All right. I appreciate the clarification. I didn't realize that. And then on the follow-up, just the leverage of two times or 2.05, clearly lots of firepower at BBB plus to do, I guess, kind of whatever you want here. But Mark and I were wondering, have you thought about lowering the target a touch, shooting for upgrades into the low A range? Or in this environment, does that even make sense in terms of the marginal savings? Maybe you're just better off buying more stock or maybe another platform. Any thoughts on that?

17:01 Well, look, certainly Jamie, with the history of the business over the last twenty years generating the returns we have where we are the best part of a thousand over treasuries every year after tax GAAP ROE with the tremendous operating cash flows, we certainly feel that a move into the A category is deserved and warranted.

17:23 Okay, that's perfect. Just back to my first question quickly, anything in those numbers, the 85% and the 15% as it relates to engine cores going into data centers?

17:36 Look, of course, we'll sell assets into those who want to put them into data centers. But as it relates to data centers, Jamie, what I would say is we have done extensive work evaluating the aeroderivative opportunity and we began serious discussions in this area at the start of the year with commercial aerospace OEMs, multiple supply chain participants and some of the largest owners and operators of OEM produced aeroderivative turbines. The work we've done includes assessing channel partners, understanding engine to power generation conversion processes, quantifying the associated upfront costs, evaluating lifecycle maintenance requirements, reliability, and analyzing the addressable market opportunity for this form of power.

18:29 Now we've held numerous diligence sessions and site visits. We were able to observe the operation and maintenance of these turbines firsthand, the aeroderivative turbines, and that gave us tremendous insight into how this market has evolved and strengthened in recent years. It's clear that there is strong demand for gas powered turbines today. Every aspect of this opportunity from conversion and installation to operation and long term maintenance require specialized expertise and substantial operational experience. From AerCap's perspective, pursuing this opportunity would require strong strategic partners and access to the full suite of capabilities needed to convert, install, operate and maintain these assets on a long term basis.

19:22 The risks we're assessing include operational performance, future costs and alternative power supply solutions.

19:30 While the technology to convert aerospace engines into gas powered turbines is already established, There is a perception in the market that converted units may in the long term be less efficient than the OEM produced aero derivatives. Whether this proves to be the case over the long term remains to be seen.

19:52 It was also evident in our research that both data center operators and hyperscalers would strongly prefer to be connected to the grid over time. If and when that becomes possible remains a key uncertainty. Should grid capacity expand materially or alternative technologies improve, demand for aeroderivatives could be adversely affected. Taking all this into account, any opportunity in this area must be evaluated against the industry leading returns that AerCap generates in our core business. While we continue to see encouraging signs in the aeroderivative market, we will remain prudent and will only pursue opportunities where we believe we have the right partners, sufficient operational capabilities and a clear path to generating shareholder value over the long term and we'll continue to update you as our assessment evolves.

20:49 I should have made that my first question. Thank you so much Gus. That's very helpful. Appreciate it. No problem, Jamie. We will take our next question from Catherine O'Brien with Goldman Sachs. Hey, good morning, gentlemen. Thanks for the time. Maybe just a bit of a follow-up on the leverage question. Jamie was going down that path.

21:13 Leverage remains well below target and has been for several years. And as I know, the team won't deploy capital to growth just for growth sake. What does it take to see leverage get back closer to target? Do you need OEM deliveries to start to pick up?

21:26 Because you guys have been quite active on finding incremental opportunities to deploy capital like the Frontier and Airbus deal last quarter, but leverage continues to decline. Should we expect to see a potential step up in capital deployment to shareholders? I guess I'm mainly just trying to get a sense of how much of a priority making the balance sheet more efficient is because it feels like something in the mid twos would still get you give you dry powder for larger opportunistic deal came up, but maybe you disagree there. Anyways, a bit of a long winded question. We're just trying to figure out the urgency or lack thereof to take leverage back up and what the potential path to get there could be. Sure, Katie. Thanks. Look, so the main reason why leverage has remained so low has really been just the performance of the business and how much cash and capital we've been generating. And as you can see, it's been very strong. And despite the fact that we bought back 6% of the shares in the first half of this year and all of the commitments we've made in terms of new orders and that type of thing, Nonetheless, the leverage ratio has remained the same. And so I think that's really what has been the driver of it. So we are committing capital. Now, you're right, we have a lot of dry powder available, which is good.

22:45 We will continue to deploy that. Look, we've got amounts remaining in our existing share repurchase program. We obviously see that as attractive, and so I think you can expect that to continue. But also looking for other opportunities too. There may be larger opportunities. I mean, some of these things that we've done,

23:05 the delivery slots are relatively close in, but it didn't result in a lot of capital deployment today. But that will be in future years. Right?

23:14 So that's one of the things that we've been doing. I think over time, obviously, we'd expect it to get back to those mid twos levels, but it will take some time to get there, I think. Okay. High class problem. Maybe just one more. The aircraft returned from Spirit pre liquidation, I think they were originally expected to return to service towards year end. Is that still on track? And and when will the incremental 10 aircraft return to May return to service? And how should we think about these aircraft plus the returning freighter conversions impacting that spread over the next couple of quarters? Thanks for all the time guys. Yes. So that's still our expectation that we'll see some returning in the fourth quarter. And on the other 10 aircraft, those should go out later this year as well. So that should be a positive, for lease yields, positive for net spread, some of those freighters coming in as well.

24:05 I mean just to look at net spread and lease yields. So obviously, over year, lease yield is up about 30 basis points, net spreads up 50 basis points, and net spread has been flat for the last few quarters, as you've seen. That's despite all those Spirit aircraft, the downtime associated with those. So we should see it coming up somewhat over the next couple of quarters, and that's going to depend obviously on those redeliveries of those aircraft. But overall, the trend should be upward for lease yield and slightly up for net spread as well.

24:43 Thanks so much, Pete. Sure.

24:48 We will take our next question from Ron Epstein with Bank of America. Hey, good morning, guys. Maybe just following up on the question that was just asked. Far through are we now? I'm assuming pretty far of the, I guess, the less favorable leases that were signed kind of COVID and a little bit post COVID. Is a lot of that kind of worked through already?

25:17 Yeah, more than half, Ron. We're more than halfway through that. It is a long roll off period for those because some of those were quite long leases. I mean, essentially, we replaced the existing lease terms when we restructured those for the most part. And so that is a pretty long roll off. I think I mentioned last year it was about six more years, that would take to roll off.

25:41 So maybe over the next five years, you'll see that. So it's kind of a long term positive trend that you see. And and that should be coming in. That's one of the things that's contributing to that growth in the portfolio yield and the improvement in that spread. Yeah. I can say, right, the portfolio, you should just get a natural lift off of that over the next several years.

26:03 Exactly. And then a quick question for you guys. I'm back to the last question that Jamie asked on the aeroderivative stuff. What would be the right partner? What kind of expertise what are you looking for to feel comfortable that, okay, this is something we might wanna invest in. You gotta remember, Ron, it's a very significant investment in every engine. So you need a long term demand and you need the right partner. Now our focus is in ensuring we approach this, as I said, with the right strategic partner. One that can bring operational expertise and the capabilities needed to drive long term value from the opportunity.

26:49 We have had constructive discussions with a number of potential partners but have not yet identified one with a long term conviction regarding the longevity and durability of the opportunity.

27:04 Got it. It. Got it. And then maybe just one last one if I can. If you for the engine leasing business itself and supporting those engines, are you guys having any problems getting parts and the supply chain, what you need to keep

27:20 those engines flying? Sorry, could you just repeat the last bit, Ron? You just broke up. Have we had any problems Yes. Sorry about that. Any problems with the supply chain getting the components you need to support the engines, particularly the CFM56s that you have on those?

27:38 Ron, as you know, one of our businesses supports the CFM product globally. And at any given time, we're probably moving 50 engines around the world any given day for GE and CFM. And we have been able to do that. It takes a lot of planning. We have a number of facilities around the world where we know which parts of an engine will be scarce years in advance from our knowledge and we tend to have pre bought a lot of the spendable parts that airlines tend to, I won't say that you use the word pilfer, but when you're in that business moving quickly from A to B to C to D to E to F, you need to really understand what happens to certain consumables on the engines, on the top case, etc.

28:27 To plan for that years in advance. And we have various facilities around the world where we stockpile those critical parts and we have our own infrastructure that can move these assets around faster and a greater scale than anyone else in the world. Got it, got it, cool. Alright, thank you guys.

28:46 We will take our next question from John Gadine with Citigroup. Hey, guys. Thanks for taking my question. Gus, you spent a bit of time talking about the supply demand and wide bodies, which is there's a wide gap there. I was hoping that you could talk a bit more about what's going on in narrow bodies where delivery rates have tracked back up, and in particular,

29:11 kind of retirement rates and anything of note on modern versus older engine types?

29:20 Look, we still see very strong demand. I suppose to be fair, the prime aircraft of all is the A321neo. If you have A321neos, you're going to place that no problem. And they'd be fairly scarce. And that's the clear market leader and that's where it's so vital for Boeing to get the MAX 10 certified. Then it will help, once Boeing do that, it will actually help the MAX eight. The MAX eight is a very good airplane. Airlines that operate the MAX eight and the A320neo would argue that the MAX eight may be even a slightly superior aircraft. But commonality and operating leverage having a one family type of aircraft is vital. And so that's what's held back, I would say, the placement activity on the MAX A versus the A320neo family, but I think that will reverse when the MAX gets certified and starts delivering.

30:15 So we'd certainly see very strong demand out there still for the narrow body new tech aircraft. And then on the older tech aircraft you can see as well that particularly that's what a lot of our sales are focused on. There's tremendous demand. A lot of that is supported of course by the demand for engine overhauls. The cost of an engine overhaul shop visit is relatively high. So people will be inclined just to buy engines off us to avoid shop visits and then we might give the airframe to our own parts business in Memphis, AerCap Materials, where we will tear down the airframe ourselves after having sold the engines. And if I could just ask about your take on next gen narrow body.

31:02 Obviously, it was in the headlines quite a bit last week on the back of Farmborough. I'm just curious what you think the customer reception would be for a new narrowbody. Well, I don't think anyone's bringing one out today. I think if were to come today, the customer reception would be very cool. I think over time, as the existing technology improves, matures, and starts to deliver the unwing time that was originally envisaged and that goes for all, be it Airbus, Boeing, Pratt, CFM, etc, I think and I do believe that will happen over the course of the next four or five odd years and at that point in time I think it may be more sensible then for the launch of a new narrow body, but I can't see any significant numbers being delivered before the back end of the next decade. So launch, it's one thing.

31:57 Delivery of significant numbers of aircraft is what's relevant to us. And I just don't see that happening before the end of the next decade. So we're a long, long way off there. Thank you for the thoughts.

32:12 We will take our next question from Shannon Dougherty with Deutsche Bank. For taking my question and congrats on the great results. Gus, this is your first direct wide body order in many years, and you've previously expressed some hesitancy in placing direct OEM orders. So why now? Do you think that wide body supply will get worse before moving into the next decade? And if I may, if you were any other customer of Boeing's, when would your 15 widebody start delivering? Well, I can only talk about when AerCap start delivering. We know the slots are very rare and I think it was a combination, as I said in my prepared comments, of the long standing relationship with Boeing being the biggest owner of 787s in the world and being able to place close in slots quickly.

33:01 Certainly if you're Boeing, you do not want to be dealing with someone who doesn't have huge knowledge and capability in moving wide bodies. Narrow bodies are easier to move but wide bodies are far more challenging. And so you really want to have confidence if you've got near term slots available that the entity that you're dealing with can definitely move them and move them very efficiently. So I think that's our track record there. A very important part of the deal, our ability to move quickly etc. I can't speak for when Boeing would offer wide body slots to anyone else but I would imagine they'd be materially later. Now, my hesitancy in dealing with the OEMs directly, I don't have any hesitancy, I never have, in dealing with them. I just don't like rolling up at the farmer on a bourget tent and waiting in line for them taking an order.

33:50 So you want to make sure you do it on your terms and the terms are right. And when that happens, of course, we'll do as many as we think are economically viable for our shareholders. Great, thanks. Separately, how big are your LEAP and CSM 56 portfolios today at SES? How many engines are off lease? And can you give us any color on lease rates that you're seeing for the two types? Thanks for the question. Could you just repeat that? Sorry. Could you just repeat that question? Oh, yeah. How big are your lease and CSM 56 portfolios today at SES? And how many engines are off lease? If you have any color on lease rates too, that'd be great. De minimis numbers. De minimis numbers. I mean, there's a shortage of CFM56 and LEAP engines globally around the world. So anything that's on the ground is either there's a home for the next couple of weeks or it's in transition. I wouldn't think there'd be, as I said, de minimis amount.

34:52 Is that okay? We will take our next question from Moshe Orenbuch with TD Cowen. Great, thanks. Guess, Pete, when you talked about the full year kind of gain on sale, you mentioned 4,000,000,000 to $5,000,000,000 I think you did nearly $3,000,000,000 in the first half. Can you talk a little bit about kind of what's left to do in the second half and what the demand from the buyer community looks like? Sure. So the demand continues to be very strong. We have about 400,000,000 of held for sale assets at the moment, but we have a number of other sales that are in the pipeline.

35:38 And so while the first half of the year was high, right, I don't expect us to replicate that first half of the year. I still think in the 4,000,000,000 to $5,000,000,000 range, that would be a record number for us for the full year. So we do feel pretty confident that we'll be in that range. And that's indicative of the demand that we see globally. That's holding up very well and you're seeing that pretty much across the board and at high margins as you have seen. So I think that's really just the first half of the year was extremely high. Second half of the year, I think will still be high, but not as high. Got it. I think one the other kind of aspects of that high level of sales is that it kind of reduces your existing fleet. In this quarter you actually had on a period end basis growth in the net fleet for the first time in a few quarters.

36:35 Can you talk a little bit about the outlook for the second half there given what you've got in orders and maybe discuss how kind of the Spirit aircraft fit into that. I guess they're technically in the fleet, but will start to generate revenue. So can you talk about the outlook for growth in the fleet in second half and into 2027? Sure. Yeah, Moshe. I mean, they will the Spirit aircraft are in the fleet. They're still flight equipment. Would expect the fleet to grow slightly, during the latter half of the year. I mean, obviously, these high sales volumes are impacting that as well. So I think we'll see it maybe go up a little bit, but not a huge increase this year.

37:22 Got it. All right. Thanks very much. Sure. We will take our next question from Christine Liwag with Morgan Stanley. Hi. Good morning. This is Gabby on for Christine. Thanks for taking the question. So going back to Shannon's question here a little. I mean, in March, placed your largest ever direct Airbus order for a 100 A320neo family aircraft. And then in July, you added 15 Boeing 787s. That's a pretty meaningful acceleration in direct OEM commitments after several years of pretty selective ordering. Is there anything that's changed in your assessment of OEM pricing and delivery economics? And are we entering a period where lessors can once again negotiate attractive terms on new aircraft, or do you still view the market as one where Boeing and Airbus retain most of the bargaining power?

38:11 Well, I think if we look at the the recent Airbus orders, we've clocked up almost 200 aircraft with Airbus in the last two years. They are order books to all intents and purposes that we have taken over from airlines. So that made it far more attractive. Of course, the contracting party ultimately is Airbus, but the entity that had the order book were entities that we helped, be it Spirit, be it Frontier. And in return for that assistance we were able to step into those delivery slots which otherwise would not be available. As you saw those delivery slots begin I think as early as late twenty seven, '28, '29, 3031, '32, as opposed if we'd gone to Airbus and Boeing on the narrow bodies and ordered large numbers of aircraft, your order stream would probably start towards the end of that order stream.

39:02 And that has tremendous impact on economics. Because if you think of your paying escalation every year, say escalation is 4% and you can take delivery of your equipment, you order at the same time give or take, but you can get delivery four years earlier than a competitor, then your purchase price is probably 16%, 17% less at the end of the day. And that's an enormous advantage. And the ability to execute transactions like that comes back to AerCap's unique capabilities. Scale gives you the ability to interact on these opportunities, but its unique capabilities to take engines out, to move them into our leasing pools that enable us to take AOG aircraft out of customers like Frontier and create revenue right away. In the case of Spirit, our confidence in being able to re lease the aircraft and to work with the airline, etcetera, these are things to move very quickly gave us the advantages that we had there in getting those order books, which just would not be available in any circumstance if you were to go to Airbus or Boeing directly.

40:08 Great. Thanks so much. We will take our next question from Cordelia Dang with Barclays. Hi, this is Cordelia on for Terry Ma with Barclays. Thanks for taking my question. Just talking about GaN on Cell margins for a second, they continue to remain attractive in the current environment at 20%. I guess what's the durability of these elevated, call it high teens to low 20s gain on sale margins? Well look, what I would say when it comes to selling aircraft, Gordia, the gain on sale is never a driver. The decision to sell the assets is what do we think the value of the asset is on our books and what do we think we can get for it. Whether that generates 5% gain, 10% gain or 50% gain, I don't care. What I care about is after the sale of that asset, is the company a better company?

41:07 Did I sell an asset that was better than our average asset? Our average asset has 200 seats, it's probably seven years old and it's probably on lease for seven years. After I sell this asset, is that average asset improved or disimproved? That's the key question because that's what protects long term shareholder value. The short term about and then once we decide to sell of course, we use the huge network we have to maximize the gain on sale and that's where you see there that we've always printed strong gain on sales for twenty years year in year out. But Pete, maybe you want to comment on how they facilitate quarter in quarter out? Sure, sure. So Cordelia, I mean I think it's just worth looking if you look at kind of quarterly, you see a fair amount of variation in these margins. So just to give you an example, last year, first quarter was 35%, second quarter 18%, third quarter 28%, fourth quarter twenty four And then first quarter this year is 24% and now it's 20%.

41:59 So they move around a lot. There's not really a discernible trend there. I I can't discern it anyway, in terms of how that works. It just depends on what happens to close in that quarter and the volumes that you have. But I think there are a number of factors that are contributing to these high margins, which we would expect to continue. And one has been the strong environment that we've talked about a lot. Another is higher maintenance costs, right, which translate into if you have life left on an engine, you know, if it takes costs more to replace that, that contributes to higher values for these. You have high you've had inflation over the last several years which doesn't show any signs of decreasing. These are hard assets, and so inflation tends to push those residual values and sale prices up. So all of those things together, I think, are contributing to it, and we would expect that to continue for a while.

42:59 Super helpful. Thank you. Then just a follow-up to the engine derivatives. I'm trying to think about if you can help me dimensionalize potentially the return profile you have to see with the AERO derivative opportunity relative to your existing engine business. Well, we know what our existing business does and it's very strong returns and as we said, there's a significant investment in the aeroderivatives that requires a very long term durable demand to be there and have the right partners to make sure that the product delivers the efficiency that the ultimate customer expects and above all else reliability.

43:44 In the data center business one thing that's become clear to us is if there is any concern about reliability no one will take your product. It has to be 100 reliable because when these things fire up, if they don't fire up the data is lost. There's no longer a data center then. Got it. Thank you. We will take our next question from Aaron Cyganovich with Truist Securities. Thanks. Just following up on prior questions around increasing leverage. I think Peter mentioned that there's opportunities sometimes to put big chunky pieces to work. I'm just wondering what you're seeing on that front. Are seeing portfolios?

44:33 I mean, consolidation is kind of largely, at least from the larger players seemingly played out. Do you see other consolidation opportunities out there as well? Well, mean, of all, I think the leverage is a function as Pete mentioned of the strong results of the business over a very long period of time, just this quarter gone with $1,500,000,000 of operating cash flow. And of course operating cash flow excludes any gain on sales. And the business I think for the last twelve months Pete is about close to 6,000,000,000 odd of operating cash flow, which is a tremendous amount that speaks to the underlying core leasing business that we have of engines, aircraft, helicopters and so long may that last.

45:18 As it pertains to opportunities, certainly in regard to M and A as you know in the past we will always be looking at all opportunities in the sector but it has to be something that is accretive to our shareholders. And you can see from our beliefs and our activity over the course last four or five years and we've seen the last six months that we believe the cheapest aircraft are still available as I said before every day down to New York Stock Exchange under the ticker AER and that's where we buy very significant amounts of aircraft. I mean as Pete said, we returned $1,400,000,000 to shareholders. That's the same as going out and buying about $5,500,000,000 of aircraft in a sale and leaseback transaction at economics we couldn't match. So and that's why we continue to do that in large scale. But of course we have to be cognizant too that we do have a large order book that will deliver and so some of that capital over time will be needed too. But of course we will generate capital. But we want to make sure that AerCap is always able ready to go whenever a significant opportunity presents itself.

46:24 Thanks Gus. My follow-up question would be on conversations you're having with airlines. You mentioned some input costs obviously with oil rising, putting some pressure on margins but everybody seems to be doing I guess fairly well. Has that changed any of your conversations with airlines in terms of maybe opportunities for more sale leasebacks, etcetera? Not as yet, but there's no doubt of course, look at these oil prices and if they're to last of course some airlines will feel that and we'll definitely see impaired profitability. But on an overall basis globally, at the moment we don't see any material impact as yet. Of course that could change, but at the moment we don't.

47:15 And I would say of course over the last twenty years as a public company every quarter we reported credit costs and they've never been a material driver of performance of AerCap. That's down to the ability of the company to move assets rapidly around the world from underperforming to performing airlines and regions. But I would say that at the moment as we look out towards the rest of the year, the airline industry is still on a global basis healthy. Thank you. There are no further questions at this time. I will turn the conference back to Angus Kelly for any additional or closing remarks. Thank you, operator and thank you all for joining us. Look, AerCap has still significant financial flexibility. We have a strong pipeline of opportunities and a business that continues to perform exceptionally well. I want to thank you for your continued interest and support, and we look forward to speaking with you again in the next quarter. Thank you.

48:14 This concludes today's call. You for your participation. You may now disconnect.